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Progressivism Claims Another Life
Townhall.com ^ | December 7, 2014 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 12/07/2014 3:50:38 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/07/2014 3:50:38 AM PST by Kaslin
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But the deeper truth still holds—it was progressive big government, the overregulation and taxation of everything—that was the first domino to fall in the events that caused Eric Garner’s death.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bears repeating. We have to get the ba$tard$ out of our lives.


2 posted on 12/07/2014 3:55:59 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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BTTT


3 posted on 12/07/2014 3:58:19 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Candor7
I woke up this morning ....

still a criminal.

4 posted on 12/07/2014 4:14:33 AM PST by knarf
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I am as big an opponent of government control via taxation as anyone, but even if cigarettes went back down to the fifty cents a pack of my youth, Garner still would have found a way to get himself arrested. Maybe he would have sold drugs or robbed a convenience store or mugged an old lady. It’s not like he was going to become a C.P.A. or a Master Mechanic.


5 posted on 12/07/2014 4:17:37 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree ( When dems win, it's a mandate. When we win, we must compromise.)
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6 posted on 12/07/2014 4:21:36 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: knarf

Smoke ‘em if ya gottem!


7 posted on 12/07/2014 4:21:40 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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both city and state, have, through exorbitant taxation, made buying a whole pack too expensive for many.

$5.85 per pack tax in N.Y.C.

8 posted on 12/07/2014 4:29:56 AM PST by Graybeard58 (V.33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Corinthians 10:)
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While the guy assisted in his own demise, cops are very quick to interpret any hesitation in total obedience as a reason to use overwhelming force or to pull a trigger - this race-as-the-reason crap hides a real problem by keeping the divisions bloody and raw.


9 posted on 12/07/2014 4:33:48 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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Bloomberg would have asked for the Death Penalty if Eric would have been caught selling these in NYC while he was still mayor

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10 posted on 12/07/2014 4:50:12 AM PST by digger48
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Omitted is why was Garner having to sell cigarettes to make a living? No job? Additional blame can be added to 0bamacare which makes the work week 30 hours, 29 in reality. And, who would hire Garner anyway, given his state of health?

Just one more reason progressives get people killed.


11 posted on 12/07/2014 5:46:23 AM PST by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: The party of projection politics. The end justifies the means = do or say anything.)
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What happened to 3 strikes and you’re out? We need a few penal colonies for 4th time offenders. Enough of their living among the civilized. Let them live with like-kind.


12 posted on 12/07/2014 5:58:56 AM PST by abclily
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Evidently the deceased had over 30 arrests on his record. A real role model for the Obama sons and Holder's people. A real textbook hero.
13 posted on 12/07/2014 6:20:38 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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In addition to Congress we have fifty state legislatures. Every day they wake up wondering what more they can do today. More laws, more control. Then there are the regulatory agencies. None of these people think of what power and control they can give up.
Criminalize everything and you criminalize everybody. Then everybody is under your control.


14 posted on 12/07/2014 6:24:14 AM PST by all the best
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11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won’t Tell You

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: “You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different,” he told Newsmax. “He wouldn’t be dead today.

“Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don’t have the ability to say, ‘Well, this is a minor arrest, so we’re just going to ignore you.’”

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: “Don’t touch me!”

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo’s attorney and police union officials argued that Garner’s poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, said: “It was clear that the officer’s intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused.”

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a “substantial risk” that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner’s death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice’s waistband outside a New York hotel.


15 posted on 12/07/2014 6:29:48 AM PST by tired&retired
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Also not mentioned. . .the cops were called in by black-owned merchants who were being undercut by Garner’s cigarette sales in front of their stores. He had been arrested 30 times for the same thing. . .all prompted by complaints from the merchants. Another thing not mentioned by the race hustlers and the media. . .the Police Sargent-on-scene was a black woman and the precinct Captain, a black man.


16 posted on 12/07/2014 6:41:34 AM PST by McBuff
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To: trebb
While the guy assisted in his own demise, cops are very quick to interpret any hesitation in total obedience as a reason to use overwhelming force ...

Maybe so, but I don't think that is necessarily the case here.

What we do know is this:

1. The police weren't just out for a stroll, looking for violent, dangerous (sarcasm off) tobacco pirates out there. They were called to the scene by the owner of the store, who complained that this Garner guy was harassing his customers and employees.

2. The dispatcher didn't send one or two officers to the scene. There were four officers dispatched to the scene, because they knew in advance that they were dealing with someone who was not likely to be cooperative.

3. They knew this because this Garner guy was a real veteran of the criminal justice system. He had more than 30 arrests on his record, and was still out on bail while awaiting trial for his most recent arrest.

The last point probably explains why he was so hostile to the police. If he was arrested and taken into custody, his bail on the prior charge probably would have been revoked.

I don't know if the police were right or wrong in this case, but I'm sure Garner's prior history gave the grand jury (and maybe even the prosecutor) every reason to give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

17 posted on 12/07/2014 6:47:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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Nice argument until it gets here:”Letting him go at that moment would’ve put every officer involved in danger.”

THAT is laughable.


18 posted on 12/07/2014 6:54:04 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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Maybe, maybe not


19 posted on 12/07/2014 6:55:41 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Gabrial
Evidently the deceased had over 30 arrests on his record. A real role model for the Obama sons and Holder's people. A real textbook hero.

I keep hearing that. What were the "crimes" he was arrested for? Was there a conviction on any of them?

20 posted on 12/07/2014 7:04:05 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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