Posted on 12/04/2014 3:38:54 PM PST by QT3.14
When a huge man resists arrest, law enforcement goes up the scale of response from least to greater. First is reasoning which didn’t work. Second is hands on followed by Mace, Tazer baton etc. The officers went hands on and, after viewing the video it appears they used a CONTROL hold not a choke hold. They were trying to take him down not choke him out.
Turns out a lot of them were.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
I agree. The criminal law is a bad way to police the police. But there has to be accountability when the cops screw up.
If you, as a citizen, assault someone and they die of a heart attack then you've committed at least manslaughter. Their condition prior to your assault is irrelevant to your defense.
It's also irrelevant to the defense of the police who killed a man over an unpaid tax of about twenty cents.
I wish people on FR would stop pretending the choke hold didn’t kill him.
Your Alpha Male Dad was supposed to drop and grovel once he discovered he was dealing with a cop, don’t you know? You’re not supposed to EVER resist a super-citizen who has a badge because THEY’RE ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
Just ask one of the bootlickers around here, they’ll back me up on this, I’m sure.
After watching the extended video of Garner on the ground after the initial arrest, I must say that i was surprised that indeed no help or aid was given him.
I am not sure why that was.
From watching the video closely, I do not believe that I could see him breathing, and when they finally did move him to the stretcher, his eyes seemed to fall open, which would indicate to me that something was seriously wrong or he was already dead.
I still do not believe that the head lock he was placed in killed him by way of asphyxia or lack of blood flow to the brain.
It simply was not held long enough, nor was it applied in such a way that the goal of it was to do either of those things.
I do believe, however, that the weight of the men on him in combination with his own could have killed him. I believe laying on the sidewalk alone may have killed him. I believe that a heart attack from the situation itself may have killed him, but I don’t believe that the policeman using the hold killed him or intended to kill him.
But I do think that not giving him on the scene medical aid is a shocker. I’m not sure why they did that.
Having seen that, I no longer believe that he died of a heart attack in the ambulance. I believe he was already dead before being put on the stretcher. So shame on those EMTs and the police standing there if in fact they knew how to perform cpr.
I still do not believe that the cop should be indicted.
Why would you resist the police?
Police officers have greater protection in that regard if they are in the course of doing that job as compared to a regular citizen.
LAPD Cop Admits Guilt in OC Kiddie Picture Arousal Case
“On May 26, 2007, Lakin was captured at the Garden Grove Strawberry Festival secretly filming the crotch areas of eight unwitting, underaged girls, as he confessed today in a pretrial guilty plea, “with the intent to sexually gratify” himself.
The younger Dornan, a schoolteacher and man not known for fence-straddling or meekness, chased Lakin down, wrestled away the cop’s gun and camera, and held him for local police. The sensational citizen’s arrest prompted the Weekly to name Dornan “Father of the Year” in 2008.”
Color me skeptical based on my experience.
Don't know much about Staten Island (or anything else, probably) do you.
I read where the choker cop is now on the rubber gun squad. No gun, no badge. Desk duty. Also read where the entire police force is going to be re-trained. They know they killed him.
“Why would you resist the police?”
If Americans never resisted the police, we would have never become Americans.
Punishing resisting arrest hard is only tolerable if we didn’t have:
* no knock raids with flash grenades thrown in cribs at addresses where the perp moved six months ago
* no knock raids by SWAT at 3 AM for non-violent offenses
* welfare checks on the mentally ill for not taking drugs or even calling a suicide hotline before they kill the person
* forfeiture rackets where they stop out of state cars looking for cash and valuables to seize and share with the department
* trumped up charges by prosecutors so that you have to plea to whatever they offer you or else risk life in jail - in short, blackmail to agree to whatever charges they levy
* SWATTING based on false charges, whether by gamers who think it is a funny thing to do to someone or a cool way to get even, or the anti-gun-nuts who are calling for people to call 911 and say an open carry advocate is “threatening children with a gun” to get them gunned down by police
M..mmm ... oK. Good luck with that.
My mom was an attorney. She taught my brother and I to obey the police. After all, they’re armed, you’re not. And if they do something wrong, “we’ll sue them later”.
If Americans always resisted the police, we wouldn't have a functioning society, because there would be no law. There's a time to resist authority but this wasn't one of those times.
Or do you see some higher principle motivating his resistance?
I did not say they we should always resist the police.
Mark Levin said the facts state he died of a heart attack in the ambulance on the way to the hospital
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