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Death By Police
First Things ^ | December 4, 2014 | Russell E. Saltzman

Posted on 12/04/2014 12:21:06 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o
I empathize with your point. A lot of people simply don't realize that if you get the police involved in a family dispute, there is a good chance that someone is going to get killed.

Never never never get the police involved in a family dispute unless it is truly indeed a matter of life or death, or grave bodily injury.

The police aren't interested in being sympathetic to a misunderstood person, they are interested in everyone doing what the police tell them to do, and that's all.

Give them an excuse to kill you and they will, and as you have seen, they will usually never suffer any consequences for their hasty judgement.

21 posted on 12/04/2014 1:15:47 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The biggest change I’ve seen with the police is that there was a time the citizen’s safety came before the police officer’s. Risk was a very definite part of the job and expected. Now the officer’s safety comes first. If in doubt shoot and ask questions later. That hasn’t been an improvement.


22 posted on 12/04/2014 1:20:04 PM PST by DB
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He was mentally ill, large and angry. I don’t blame a wife in this situation for calling the police, even though it may prove to be a dangerous decision. We might just as easily be reading a story about another woman killed by her husband.


23 posted on 12/04/2014 1:22:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bgill

Sounds like another extreme dysfunctional family refusing to see that they are just that. Imagine what life would be if police didn’t have to play referee to all the domestic issues they have to contend with!


24 posted on 12/04/2014 1:25:58 PM PST by caww
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To: Sherman Logan

That’s the very sort of situation I was thinking of.


25 posted on 12/04/2014 1:28:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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To: DB
There was a time when police were respected too...that is not the case today....criminals and law breakers are bolder because they know the police have their hands tied. So I have no problem with whatever means an officer has to protect himself from the lawless mentality they have to contend with today.


26 posted on 12/04/2014 1:44:12 PM PST by caww
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To: trisham

....”He returned home testy, angry, belligerent, and he didn’t want any medication. His wife left the house and called police.”....

Obviously she needed to call his Dr. as well...??? Look, she was having issues with him for some time.....it’s expecting too much from police to handle all the mental wackoos out there as a Dr. or medical team would.


27 posted on 12/04/2014 1:48:42 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Imho, the police did their job. What about my post did you find objectionable?


28 posted on 12/04/2014 2:00:19 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I think the idea of expecting police to handle mental cases and family disputes has moved into an area they should not be held accountable for apart from their job.

The woman knew beforehand he was not taking his meds...and that was the time to contact his Dr. or have him committed. Too many wait until there’s a situation then want police involvement......


29 posted on 12/04/2014 2:22:50 PM PST by caww
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Yet he had been doing his big talk to the police, about his barrels of black powder and how if people just didn’t leave him the hell alone he’d blow up the house, the neighborhood, and everyone else just for good measure.

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He was dangerous, imho. Mental health workers are not trained to take down someone who has weapons.

30 posted on 12/04/2014 2:27:22 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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again...the wife had been aware of the ‘big talk’ before the incident and his instability....

My point is too many people who have family members with obvious mental disorders, with a propensity for violent acts, do not take them seriously UNTIL there is an incident.

31 posted on 12/04/2014 3:08:29 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Ok.


32 posted on 12/04/2014 3:15:15 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: caww

Respect is earned.


33 posted on 12/04/2014 5:46:32 PM PST by DB
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To: DB

You respect the office regardless if or not the individual does or not....

The phrase “Trust must be earned”... isn’t in line with God’s Word.... Certainly it is not Biblical. ( Ro. 13:1-2 & 6-7, 1Tim. 6:1 Eph. 6:2-3, 1Thess. 5:12-13).... In times past to honor government leaders, bosses, adults, and others with authority was “a given”.

“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.” (Romans 13:1-2)

Further there is a difference between respect and trust....we may respect someone but not trust them... Trust IS earned.


34 posted on 12/04/2014 8:06:04 PM PST by caww
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