Posted on 12/03/2014 2:05:50 PM PST by blam
I have high regard for Baden. He’s not your typical ambulance chaser individual.
I am able to watch the video. That hold was not the type of hold that was outlawed. I erred earlier and referred to it as a choke hold. It wasn’t by definition set when that hold was barred years ago.
The guy that put his arm around the perps neck wasn’t furious. He did so matter of factly to get a lot of weight on the upper part of the perp’s body, to cause him to become unstable and go down.
Non of these officers appeared to be angry with the Black guy. They didn’t curse him or even talk bad to him. They merely effecting an arrest. The type of neck hold applied, was approved.
Once on the ground that one officer was talking to the perp in low tones.
What are the officers on the scene supposed to do when a perp refuses to obey their commands? Should they just walk away?
Setting tax policy is not the officer’s duty. They are tasked with preventing people from acting outside the law. This guy was breaking the law, and he readily admitted he was being rousted regularly by officers.
This leads me to think this wasn’t his first problem for doing this, although I don’t know for sure.
When officers see a local they know doing something they shouldn’t be AGAIN, they don’t give them leeway. They enforce the law.
This guy knew what he was doing was wrong. He should have complied with the officers. He didn’t. He took his chances trying to resist, and the outcome was terrible.
I don’t think these officers wanted to kill him. I think they may have wanted to make him uncomfortable. They may have wanted him to pick another neighborhood to get in trouble in. I don’t see much wrong with that.
I do not like cigarette taxes. I think they are obscene. Those taxes have been levied by legal means. Once that has taken place, officers are tasked with enforcing the law.
Really ?..Bundy Ranch. . Guess you think Christian fundamentalist that don’t like gay marriage is the equal to Islamic fundamentalist chopping off people heads
If it recall the Bundy family was resisting being kickoff open range land they been on 150 years....
What was this guy resisting?. . A ticket?, a night in jail?
They do not equate...
George Washington let the revolution...then crushed the Whiskey Rebellion...so was he a hero or a villain?
read the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence ..bottom line if your going to rebel.. have a dam good reason and state it clearly and give people to on to see if your right...
legitimate rebellion and resistance is not about going off half cocked in the heat of the moment on a cop giving you a ticket
I’m seeing more and more of the phrase “apparent chokehold”; the lack of locked arms indicates it wasn’t such a hold. I would have bet on an indictment in this case (and a subsequent acquittal); the perp is still alive and well after the cop’s arms are away from his neck (in fact, he is putting up quite a fight).
Charles Barclay is right when he describes what some neighborhoods would be like without cops, and I guess the juries are seeing it the same way. They don’t want situations like Newark NJ, where cops simply write accident reports; laying off 160+ of them a few years back had no impact on crime because they weren’t allowed to fight crime anyway.
“Barkley”
Good points; I don’t know what else the cops were supposed to do.
I think the prosecutor in this case didn’t want an indictment even though he could have easily justified it.
After hearing that Deblasio had met with the White House prior to the announcement you can almost count on the fact that this decision was engineered to keep the protests and anger going.
The White House wants to make all police Federal. That should make us all very worried.
That should have been a concern since the Rodney King beating trial of the four LA cops. The jury, watching the whole video (which included King attacking the officers prior to the beatdown), acquitted the cops; the feds simply fabricated a civil rights case and found them guilty.
This nonsense is just an end-run around double jeopardy.
Finding wrongdoing on the part of the cop may have implicated another “preferred minority”; as I understand it, there was a female sergeant on the scene.
Fair answer, thank you.
Don’t mind me if I call BULLS#!T on that ‘seat belt maneuver’ nonsense. Google it and you’ll see this is an invention of the NYPD to explain away the choke hold.
Prior to this year there’s absolutely no reference to a ‘seat belt manuever’ being used or recommended by law enforcement. It’s a fabrication...a lie.
I look forward to seeing the Executive Order and then I look forward to seeing the Republicans do absolutely nothing about it.
I don’t either. Nobody won this one. I think the officers feel genuinely sorry for the guy and his family. Once the dynamic plays out, you have to move on. You can second guess yourself into oblivion if you’re an officer and things like this take place. You try to do your job the way you were trained, and that’s all you can do.
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