Posted on 11/12/2014 7:48:09 AM PST by C19fan
Most of the people that have Cadillac plans are union members, including public employee unions. I worked for a PEU in CA that of course have Cadillac plans that the taxpayers have to pay for, meanwhile the taxpayers get stuck with obamacare.
So our side's lawyers are including them as evidence, and apparently they're admissible.
http://economics.mit.edu/faculty/gruberj
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Most of Grubers comments are functionally saying Democrats (and some independents) are too stupid, economically illiterate, and such. Like in Florida when the Democrats claimed Democrat voters were too stupid to vote properly, even when grade school children could do so at 100% accuracy. ...or like when Obama functionally said black folks can’t be trusted with guns.
I’d also add an example of real economic illiteracy when Obama promised his healthcare plan would save employers 3,000%, which should cause them to give employees a pay raise.
This is his economic model to cull smoking.
His Two conclusions (1) Those that smoked as teens wish they had not started and (2) smokers have a self-control problem
His “solution” is 100% Elitist Nanny-State
How should policymakers best interpret such facts, and assess the costs and benefits of smoking?
A. Given this evidence, policymakers should not be applying the standard economics model [in which people are presumed to act rationally] to smoking policy, which would imply relatively little merit for features such as warning labels. Rather, it is important to consider alternative models that incorporate the type of evidence cited above. For example, my own research shows that if you treat all smokers as standard, rational, patient, forward-looking consumers, then we should probably tax cigarettes at below $1 per pack. But if you incorporate the self-control problems noted above — not even including the failures of teens to anticipate the future — the appropriate tax rises to $5 to $10 per pack.
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/3-questions-jonathan-gruber-cost-smoking-1013
It isn’t the stupidity of the American voter that’s at issue. Rather, It is the congress critters who voted for it in a midnight session. Not only did they not read the bill but now it’s revealed they intentionally wouldn’t have been able to comprehend it if they had. Those of us who did read the bill knew it reeked of cynicism, corruption, and cronyism. The stupidity of the public was manifested in the expectation that these clowns would actually do the job for which they were paid.
Until last week, Gruber was a willing expert commentator on the subject of Obamacare subsidies. From now on, he’s going to be an unwilling one — a star hostile witness for the plaintiffs of Halbig v. Burwell, a lawsuit that, if successful, would deal a body blow to Obamacare’s already badly stressed financial side.
Now comes Gruber to argue that the ACA is not to be taken at its word — that “there was never any intention to literally withhold money, to withhold tax credits, from the states that didn’t take that step. That’s clear in the intent of the law and if you talk to anybody who worked on the law.”
Gruber spent a couple of years barnstorming the country warning states that they had to set up their own exchanges, and that failure to do so would cut their residents out of the subsidy pool. In a 2012 speech, the advice came out as equal measures promise and threat:
“I honestly don’t remember why I said that,” he told The New Republic last week. “I was speaking off-the-cuff. It was just a mistake.”
Later in the same interview, he coined a new term: “But there was never any intention to literally withhold money, to withhold tax credits, from the states that didn’t take that step. That’s clear in the intent of the law and if you talk to anybody who worked on the law. My subsequent statement was just a speak-o — you know, like a typo.”
http://www.cleveland.com/obrien/index.ssf/2014/07/obamacare_architect_caught_in.html
-— I read today that a Gruber video was included in the King v. Burwell case that the Supreme Court has taken up -—
That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
My question: Can pressure be put on MIT to fire Jonathan Gruber? He is a tenured professor. But tenure has its limits. If a professor is caught stealing, can he lose tenure?
How about stealing billions of dollars from the American public through his lies and deliberate distortion?
Does MIT see how badly Gruber reflects on the university’s reputation?
The end of Obamacare might at least give back some value which we the taxpayers have undoubtedly spent on his dumb smoker studies.
Last night Mark Levin voiced what I'm sure a lot of people here have been thinking about Gruber -- MIT should fire his sorry @**.
Me too! I’m always worried about legal niceties concerning evidence.
lol, I had to cut out on Levin yesterday. I didn’t hear that.
Concur much ... RELEASE THE KRAKEN!
Hey, Gruber, your mom called. She said, “Alfa Mike Foxtrot, sonny!”
The gift that keeps on giving.
Liberal elites and MIT think it's fun playing citizens for fools. Remember LEOPOLD & LOEB?
MIT's been playing the lower classes for fools for a long time - guess they're ready to take the rest of us on. MIT - all the class of boiler room lowlifes pushing swamp land on the gullible... MIT shows us how easy it is to lie...
We're so impress MIT... YOU taking the marks... just like a crooked carny. Is there an HBO special in your future? Are you proud MIT? How much money does it take to cover than kind of filth? Maybe you MIT guys can 'do the math' and tell us.
Gruber's a totalitarian elitist jerk.
Jonathan Gruber & MIT - all the class of boiler room lowlifes pushing swamp land on the gullible.
What a very good idea.
The Credit Mobilier and Teapot Dome have had their day ... They won’t be taught in American classrooms any more.
Let’s nor forget the exemptions Obama has given his ‘friends.’
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