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My angry inner self | 10/30/14 | Baynative

Posted on 10/30/2014 12:24:04 PM PDT by Baynative

I know many of you are as fed up as I am with the trend of politics and the control exerted over our elections by the media. I am taking it on myself an hoping for your almost effortless support.

My simple plan has risen from watching how liberals have been able to control the media and the national debate with unimportant issues that concern a relatively small number of people; such as gay marriage and minimum wage.

I have a simple two piece plan that I am trying to spread through every campaign and every elected representative. The first thing you should know is that I have personally gotten through to some national representatives elected as Republicans and they did not care for the ideas. So, I am starting here at the grass roots to hear what people think and gather ideas on how to move forward.

1. District only fundraising - I believe that one of the simplest ways to start moving toward fair elections is to implement a law restricting the money a candidate can raise to the jurisdiction they would represent. The President/VP ticket would be able to raise money nation wide. But, senators would be restricted to their state and representatives to their district.

I think this would force politicians to get out and meet people and prove who they are. It would (maybe) end the practice of a candidate from an otherwise obscure swing district from holding fundraisers in Hollywood in pursuit of party control. It would not prevent celebs like Clinton coming to their district, but would maybe influence their reporting of in kind contributions.

I posed this question to Rep. Michele Bachmann during a Heritage Foundation appearance and she didn't think much of the idea.

2. Illegal Voting and Amnesty (This is an extension of the first) Recognizing that Amnesty is an issue that we will be dealing with soon, I want to find a team of people in congress who will work to add an element into any plan for citizenship that would include back ground checks linking to voter registration. Anyone applying for citizenship who has not only entered illegally but voted illegally to contribute to unlawful election tampering should be ruled ineligible for citizenship.

I brought this idea to the attention of Ted Cruz's office, Marco Rubio's office and John McCain's office during the last election. Cruz and Rubio did not follow up. A McCain staffer said it was an abrasive (maybe racist) idea.

Illegal Votes


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With so many people wanting to make a difference, but not having money to spare or time to spend continuing these ideas in conversation and bringing them to the attention of voters and then politicians I think we could use these simple tools to make a big difference.

Am I nuts? Should we just continue on to minority status and be labeled as wing nuts?

1 posted on 10/30/2014 12:24:04 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Jim Robinson; 95 Bravo; ADemocratNoMore; advance_copy; AGreatPer; aimee5291; Alia; ...

Non offensive action?


2 posted on 10/30/2014 12:26:19 PM PDT by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: Baynative

Restrictions on people wishing to support the candidates/causes of their choice would be a violation of the first amendment.


3 posted on 10/30/2014 12:28:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Baynative; txhurl

Want to make a difference?

There’s a group doing.. Virginia Voters’ Alliance? they look at jury summons dismissals due to non-citizenship and then see if that person who is on the voter roll - that’s where summons come from - voted. That’s a felony.

Deportation-worth felony. We could all do the same thing in our counties, find the jury dismissals, find them on the voter rolls and go see what kind of Escalades they have in the driveways.

If each conservative takes out 5 illegals per year, gets them deported, problem mostly solved.

26 posted on 10/30/2014, 9:14:34 AM by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)


4 posted on 10/30/2014 12:32:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Jim Robinson
That was Michelle Bachmann's opinion, too.

As to #2 - VOTING IN MARYLAND

5 posted on 10/30/2014 12:32:31 PM PDT by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: Baynative

Well my friend, these are some terrific ideas that have a less-than-zero-percent chance at even seeing light of day.


6 posted on 10/30/2014 12:33:12 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: Baynative

I am sympathetic but your idea 1. is obviously unconstitutional.

As for the second, there should be no thought of any amnesty for illegals. No reward for illegal entry. Those illegals who vote illegally should not just be barred from future citizenship, they should be prosecuted criminally, then deported. Those who have been convicted of any crime more serious than a traffic ticket should be barred from entry.


7 posted on 10/30/2014 12:37:11 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: Baynative

Item 1 is a violation of free speech.

I would like to see a system where the candidate receives donations, but doesn’t know the source. From the donor’s point of view, this is not a violation of free speech. The right to free speech doesn’t mean that someone has to listen.

If a candidate doesn’t know who gave them money, they won’t show favoratism. OTOH, donors will only donate to improve the election chances of a candidate, not to receive favors.

Item 2 - Illegal aliens should be deported. Illegal aliens who vote should be jailed.


8 posted on 10/30/2014 12:45:22 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Jim Robinson; Baynative

I agree; it would be a 1st Amendment violation, as held in Citizens’ United v. Federal Election Commission.

As a practical matter, it would be impossible to enforce, as well.


9 posted on 10/30/2014 12:49:09 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Baynative
The system is beyond repair in it's present form...

Elections are next to meaningless unless the entrenched bureaucracy is stood down.

Most everyone knows what that means.

Very few are up to that...

10 posted on 10/30/2014 12:52:10 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Baynative

{Anyone applying for citizenship who has not only entered illegally but voted illegally to contribute to unlawful election tampering should be ruled ineligible for citizenship.}

I’m sure we all agree with this but it never happens. Illegals get to break the law multiple times and still get rewarded.

I applaud your efforts to do something Bay!


11 posted on 10/30/2014 12:53:45 PM PDT by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: Baynative

Good ideas.

Not in my lifetime...


12 posted on 10/30/2014 12:54:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Baynative

Generally it’s liberals who want to control and restrict ‘for our own good’... Also the only ‘amnesty’ legislation I’m interested in is securing our borders and sending illegals home. Period.


13 posted on 10/30/2014 12:56:31 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Are You More Likely to be Infected or Beheaded Today Than You Were 6 Years Ago? freeperPROCON)
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To: kidd

And to your two excellent suggestions I would add a third - which is that anyone found guilty of voter fraud receive hard time at a federal prison.


14 posted on 10/30/2014 12:59:22 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Baynative

Your campaign finance idea would screw over candidates with a rural voter base, and be a huge advantage for those with urban voters.

It doesn’t take much pondering to figure out which party gets screwed.


15 posted on 10/30/2014 1:01:18 PM PDT by Beagle8U (If illegal aliens are undocumented immigrants, then shoplifters are undocumented customers.)
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To: iowamark

My thinking is that if a gang of members in congress demanded checking voter roles and charging felonies, the amnesty talk would maybe stop in a hurry.


16 posted on 10/30/2014 1:04:38 PM PDT by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: Jim Robinson

That means rich people have a bigger vote than the rest of us.

Why should Soros have more power to elect my representative (not his) than I do?


17 posted on 10/30/2014 1:15:46 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Baynative

Immigration-

One option would be for a Republican President to announce an Executive Order to grant citizenship to the people who have been waiting in lines for years to LEGALLY become citizens. Amnesty NOW!


18 posted on 10/30/2014 1:19:22 PM PDT by Mark (Obama Care is now DEMOCRAT CARE)
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To: Baynative
There really is ONE solution - start working to get conservatives elected to your city council, your school board, your county offices, etc. We sincerely need to re-build every level of conservative candidates in this country. And we seriously need to stop dumping money on the national candidates and put the money to far better use getting our local conservatives elected.

Without a stable of conservatives to bring up into state and national politics, we're doomed.

19 posted on 10/30/2014 2:06:18 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Baynative

Federal courts have ruled that such restrictions on political donations are unconstitutional in that they infringe freedom of speech. Adding illegal voting and donations to citizenship background checks makes some sense, but it is hard to see where it would make a major difference. The core problem is illegal immigration, not that some illegal immigrants vote.


20 posted on 10/30/2014 2:32:53 PM PDT by Rockingham
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