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Philly School Teachers Outraged After Losing Contract
NBC10.com ^ | Oct 7, 2014 | Maryclaire Dale

Posted on 10/07/2014 8:40:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro

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To: Iron Munro
"If the contract is blown open, what's going to happen to things that matter to our kids, (such as) student class size?" said Anissa Weinraub, 34, a high school English teacher…

HMMM… Let’s see, 15,000 members in the teachers union.
135,000 students
Now granted, I’m not College educated, but it only takes grade school math skills to divide 135,000 by 15,000 to come up with an average class size of 9 students.
Even if you add the “additional 65,000 students” in Charter Schools, that still only works out to 13 1/3 students per class.
Now when I was in school (quite a few years ago, I’ll admit) the average class size was between 25 and 30 students.
I fail to see what these teachers are complaining about.

21 posted on 10/07/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Man, you've got a lot of stupid voters out there.

Someone ought to point out that Pennsylvania has the oldest median age of any state other than Florida. Basically, kids grow up in Pennsylvania and then flee to other states as adults.

The implication here is that public education in Pennsylvania is a terrible investment even in purely financial terms -- because the taxpayers of Pennsylvania are basically paying to educate someone else's work force.

I'm sure the folks in Texas and North Dakota are laughing all the way to the bank. LOL.

22 posted on 10/07/2014 9:07:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Iron Munro

I would like to show these union members what I, as a self-employed individual, have to pay in monthly premiums. And I don’t get a fat pension, either.


23 posted on 10/07/2014 9:09:25 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
This is incredibly, maddeningly, the #1 issue in the PA Governor's race. The problem is not that your school board flushes money down ratholes and spends like a drunken sailor. It's that the state has not FULLY FUNDED them.

America spends more that just about ANY OTHER COUNTRY on education, yet, we continue to fall further and further behind other countries in education. Why?

Because more money does not guarantee success! Especially in non-profit organizations! And even MORE ESPECIALLY in union-protected government organizations like cops, firemen, and teachers!

Most union protected groups are out for their unions benefits, NOT for the success or well-being of the people or tasks they are servicing. If I pay a crappy teacher $45K a year or $100K a year, they are still a CRAPPY teacher! And those same crappy teachers refuse to allow student testing or student grading to be used as their barometer! If I pay a corrupt cop $60K a year or $100K a year, he is still a corrupt cop whom the union will do everything possible to protect and maintain his job!

Public unions are a disgrace and a blight on America - PERIOD!
24 posted on 10/07/2014 9:12:53 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine

I have met people from India, Asia, Africa, various Caribbean countries. Places that don’t spend a tiny
fraction of what we do on education. All were better
educated than most Americans IMO.

It’s not about the money.


25 posted on 10/07/2014 9:17:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Iron Munro

Perhaps the union could reduce their union dues to ease the minds of teachers?

HAH! Like that is ever going to happen. I wonder what the salaries are of the top teacher union people.


26 posted on 10/07/2014 9:23:50 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Texas isn't just a state. It's a state of mind!)
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To: Alberta's Child

You reap what you sow. How long before the teachers union starts blaming Republicans for this...in 3...2..1...


27 posted on 10/07/2014 9:26:19 AM PDT by gr8eman (Bill Carson...meet Arch Stanton!)
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To: Iron Munro

Public school teachers...99% make the rest look bad.


28 posted on 10/07/2014 9:28:47 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Alberta's Child

Shhhh...hopefully in 10-20 years Yankeeland will only have 6 or 7 reps in the House since everybody left.


29 posted on 10/07/2014 9:30:23 AM PDT by gr8eman (Bill Carson...meet Arch Stanton!)
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To: cuz_it_aint_their_money

Since these are Government jobs you have to have managers managing the managers that manage the managers that manage the teachers....


30 posted on 10/07/2014 9:40:36 AM PDT by martinidon
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Yes, but you have to remember that those “managers managing the managers that manage the managers that manage the teachers....” are in fact management and not “rank and file”.
Which means they shouldn’t be counted as part of those 15,000 members of the teachers union.
So, my rudimentary math skills still hold true.
9 to 13 1/3 students per class is still only half to 1/3 of what it was when I was a student.
Therefore, teachers...QUITCHERBITCHEN!


31 posted on 10/07/2014 9:49:42 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money
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To: cuban leaf

Khanacademy doesn’t have English materials. By chance do you know of a site covering English (reading, writing, sentence structure etc) that might complement Khan’s stuff?

I’ve got a 4-yo daughter that has already had some exposure to “lower Kindergarten” in India, where she was working on learning alphabet/words/letters and so on, and having moved back to the US so far we haven’t found anyplace where she could continue that work. All the “preschools” are little more than glorified babysitting, and cost a ridiculous amount of money.


32 posted on 10/07/2014 9:56:13 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: cuban leaf
Public schools are a 19th century paradigm that outlived its usefulness in the late 20th century.

So true. Schools are closed the entire summer, even as very few children are needed to bring the family farm crops to harvest. While children long ago ceased being a family's human resource as a home laborer, school systems are loathe to stop giving their employees extended vacations.

33 posted on 10/07/2014 10:05:08 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Little Pig

Sorry. Other than the standard fare (via google search) I know of none. even MIT open courses don’t have it.


34 posted on 10/07/2014 10:07:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

They also bore intelligent kids. They actually damage them.


35 posted on 10/07/2014 10:08:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Little Pig

All the “preschools” are little more than glorified babysitting, and cost a ridiculous amount of money.


Don’t know where you are, or if they have any schools in your area, but check out The Goddard School. Our 4 year old grandson goes to one and loves it. They are taught the alphabet, to count to 100, and their colors. He’s even getting some elementary reading and math, and like I said, he just turned 4.


36 posted on 10/07/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

I think it is a wash. What they will now contribute to their health care could very well be offset by cancelling their union dues. Throw in performance bonuses and it’s over Johnny.


37 posted on 10/07/2014 10:35:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Stop Global Cooling Now. Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: Iron Munro

Having to pay something for your own healthcare! Why, that’s outrageous!
It’s criminal that they didn’t have to previously when they are living off hard-working citizens tax dollars, and making, what I am sure is way above average salary.


38 posted on 10/07/2014 11:11:22 AM PDT by vpintheak (Keep calm and Fire for Effect!)
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To: Iron Munro

What percentage are able to connect the dots between their votes an their increased health insurance cost?

If they are teaching Common Core math then they are unable to connect any dots because they can’t count them.


39 posted on 10/07/2014 11:17:41 AM PDT by Captain7seas (Beware of "enviromentalist" spewing lies)
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This 4th-Grade Teacher Could Go To Prison For Allegedly Coughing To Help Kids Cheat
40 posted on 10/07/2014 11:24:35 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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