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Eyewtiness to abortion
UK Daily Mail ^ | 9/29/14 | Amanda Cable

Posted on 09/29/2014 9:43:33 AM PDT by wagglebee

My first granddaughter would have been six by now. I often watch children in the local playground and wonder what she would have been like. Other times, at night, I dream about her vividly, and know the answer.

Blonde-haired, blue-eyed and with a shy smile. Time and time again, I dream that she has just been born, and as she is handed to me, I name her Katie. Just as my heart is about to burst with joy, I wake up and realise that she does not exist.

I shall never know my granddaughter because her life was extinguished before it even had a chance to begin.

Seven years ago, I took the heartbreaking decision to accompany my teenage daughter to a private abortion clinic where - at 24 weeks and just inside the legal limit - the life of her unborn baby was terminated.

Despite my efforts, I couldn't talk my child out of her decision, and faced with the agonising choice of going with my daughter or leaving her to go through the ordeal alone, I went with her.

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By now the awful reality of a late abortion had dawned on me. The baby would be taken from Susie and, if alive, would be left on a slab to die.

And people still refuse to call it murder.

1 posted on 09/29/2014 9:43:33 AM PDT by wagglebee
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3 posted on 09/29/2014 9:44:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

24 weeks?

My son was born 3 weeks later at 27 weeks.

He did really well this weekend at his baseball clinic. Playing with Major league coaches.

Abortion is flat out murder. Of the innocents.


4 posted on 09/29/2014 9:47:47 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: wagglebee

I know that this tale is meant to recommend against abortion, but there is so much wrong with it that it reads as unbelievable.

The main character in the story was old enough to know better. The mother should be asking herself how she could have raised such an irresponsible and unfeeling daughter. What did she think was going to happen when she gave them permission to move in together? The mother thought it is OK just because her daughter had endometriosis? Doctors used to suggest pregnancy as a cure for endometriosis. The “boyfriend” should be horsewhipped.

The mother will be eternally damned because she participated in the abortion unless she recognizes her role and begs God for forgiveness.


5 posted on 09/29/2014 10:02:31 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wagglebee

God the Father of mercies: please destroy the evil of child-sacrifice.

May this article break the hearts of many, and lead to the withering of abortion.

+ We ask this in the name of Jesus Christ, Your Son, our Lord. Amen. +


6 posted on 09/29/2014 10:02:41 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: wagglebee

I wonder what the suicide rate is over there and I can imagine their covering of child rape and abuse is just as horrendous as here.

How does the abortion industry get away with no oversight or accountability. Why can’t conservatives create an EPA like department to protect kids and prosecute the evil abortionists and their clinic techs who allow this abomination to continue. There should be millions of girls who were under the age of 15 who could sue for abuse and neglect and get the SCOTUS involved. Or am I just having a low-blood sugar hallucination.


7 posted on 09/29/2014 10:11:35 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Everyone is eternally damned even if they are good unless they ask God to save them. Is the story that unbelievable? This is nothing compared to what really goes on in clinics and in hospitals all over our own country. We need a website for these horror stories.


8 posted on 09/29/2014 10:15:03 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: wagglebee

Should have threatened to disown her if she killed your flesh and blood


9 posted on 09/29/2014 10:15:40 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: afraidfortherepublic

In GB, this young woman was an adult at 16-she didn’t need anyone’s permission to do anything-but if I’d been the mom, I doubt I’d have ever been able to speak to my kid again-I’d have disowned her. As a Christian, I’ve been taught to forgive, but to me, there are some things that cannot be forgiven-murder is one of them.

Sometimes, as adults, kids are influenced by others to turn their backs on their Christian upbringing, no matter how diligent their parents are.


10 posted on 09/29/2014 10:18:31 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up yoiur boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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“What did she think was going to happen when she gave them permission to move in together? “

In the UK, living together is a ‘thing’ that just happens, no big deal. Marriage? That is for old people, that is why in the UK they rarely, if ever, in a news article or report say ‘husband’ or ‘wife,’ they always say ‘partner’ because relationships are all so temporary and fleeting. Oh, and we can’t ignore the homosexual agenda here as well, ‘partners’ are what you have so not to exclude homosexuals.

UK has, I think I recall, the youngest age on average when girls begin to be regularly sexually active, around 14, I think it was.

At least the writer was starting to get it.


11 posted on 09/29/2014 10:23:07 AM PDT by Hulka
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What I don’t understand is why the mother went with daughter to destroy her grandchild. She didn’t have to except out of some warped sense of giving her daughter “support”? What if she had said, “No, I can’t accompany you because this is wrong.” That might have dissuaded her daughter from having an abortion.


12 posted on 09/29/2014 10:24:15 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: afraidfortherepublic
“The mother will be eternally damned because she participated in the abortion unless she recognizes her role and begs God for forgiveness.”

I believe that publishing this article is a giant step towards being forgiven for her role in her daughter's abortion.

13 posted on 09/29/2014 10:27:45 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The daughter is a thoughtless spoiled brat,and the mother is an enabler!


14 posted on 09/29/2014 10:28:50 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: punknpuss

Maybe it would have-but like so many women, she apparently allowed the man in her life to influence her entirely too much, so he can become the reason/excuse she use to do something reprehensible-at least in part.

I would have disowned her and would not have been there to be supportive-she was an adult, she was on her own, as far as I’m concerned. I love my kid unconditionally-but love does not mean supporting clearly wrong choices-my kid has been aware of that since she became an adult-she goes there, I don’t want to hear from her, and I won’t lift a finger for her.


15 posted on 09/29/2014 10:43:25 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up yoiur boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: wagglebee

This article is a good thing. Its inconceivable that people would normalize late-term abortion, yet is is necessary to accept that they, in fact, have normalized it. So unless it can be outlawed directly, the sickening reality is that calm, thoughtful messages about how hideous this practice is have to be communicated to these almost-completely-soulless people so they can furrow their brow and think it through.

It’s like talking to New Guinea cannibals about how eating human flesh isn’t a good idea. You have to be calm, reasonable, friendly, and understand that you are talking to someone who is barely human.

Or like talking to a liberal.


16 posted on 09/29/2014 11:19:50 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Texan5

This mother recognized that her daughter was suicidal, would kill herself to kill the baby if necessary. I don’t know what else the mother could have done, aside from a lot of prayer. It does sound as if the daughter was spoiled and wasn’t raised to value human life so those are things that could have been done before the crisis point, but once the mom was in that situation I’m not sure what better options she had.

God does forgive murder. David - a “man after God’s own heart” and the earthly ancestor of Christ - murdered the husband of Bathsheba so he could marry her and cover up that their child was the result of adultery. And Jesus says that hating another person is murder, so if murder can’t be forgiven then we are all eternally condemned.

Abortion is terrible. It IS murder, and it stinks just as bad as lovelessness in any of its various forms. I hope that both mother and daughter realize the web of sin they’ve been caught in, and realize that people who are caught in sin - even the sin of murder - are the very reason that Jesus came and died, and His shed blood is enough to pay the just punishment for their sin. He loves them, He forgives them, and He restores them to a new life of innocence and love.


17 posted on 09/29/2014 11:35:48 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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“Abortion is terrible. It IS murder, and it stinks just as bad as lovelessness in any of its various forms. I hope that both mother and daughter realize the web of sin they’ve been caught in, and realize that people who are caught in sin - even the sin of murder - are the very reason that Jesus came and died, and His shed blood is enough to pay the just punishment for their sin. He loves them, He forgives them, and He restores them to a new life of innocence and love.”

I don’t see how they can forgive themselves after following through on it. It would seem to be an impossible task.


18 posted on 09/29/2014 12:02:44 PM PDT by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m going to say one other thing.

I was suicidal when I was pregnant with our first child. I had been depressed for a while and at a social event had gotten into an argument with some friends of ours, fellow seminarians with my husband. I had said that in addition to what happens in church, it means a lot to me that God is with me in my alone times too. They told me I must be despising the church. (Overzealous and immature theologians ready to argue about anything; I’m sure none of them are still like that now.) My husband was furious with me for embarrassing him in front of his friends.

When I got home I told him, with tears, that if the Jesus I was allowed to have for the rest of my life was just on Sundays it would kill me. The look on his face told me that he thought I was just trying to emotionally manipulate him and that he cared more about saving face with his friends than about me living. If someone says to you “I’m dying” and your response is to coldly say (in effect) “Go ahead. Make my day”, that is murder just as surely as abortion is murder.

A couple days later I had the pills in my hand but I couldn’t do it because I had to let my child live. She saved my life.

And then she died at 42 weeks. Her heart stopped as we were monitoring to see if she could handle the induction of labor.

Two other times I have been suicidal because I let myself believe what my husband’s demons were telling us both. I’m so thankful that the Lord brought us through it, and painstakingly healed us of emotional beliefs that were seared into us in spite of the Christian-sounding words in our families. My family has since been able to name the disease that wounded so many of us: post-traumatic stress from my Dad being in the front lines of Korea. And though they don’t admit it, I think my husband’s family knows that my father-in-law was abused by his dad and spent the rest of his life trying to be big at the expense of his kids. The devil was working through pain to try to destroy us.

It took a long time, but I believe we’ve been healed of those wounds. My husband can love me now, because he’s not clawing for his own dear life any more. We’ve forgiven each other and live by a new understanding: “All sounds from the labor room are OK.” When you’re in awful pain you say whatever it takes to get you through; you don’t even necessarily mean the words, it’s just that you’re in such pain. When people are really, really hurting, you hear their words as a measure of the depth of their pain. You love them through that pain, and you forgive them for whatever pain they passed on to you in the middle of the suffering.

I don’t hate myself any more, like I did. Because of that, I will never be suicidal again. If God wants me to live, I need to live. But it took going through Hell and back to get me to this point.

It seems to me that this mom and her daughter have already been to Hell; it’s time for them to begin the journey back, and find healing for what took them there in the first place. Very often it takes searing pain - and heinous guilt - before we’re ready to start over and come back from the dead. I hope and pray that these 2 women - and any person who’s been through the guilt and shame of abortion - will make that journey back to the forgiving outstretched arms of Jesus.


19 posted on 09/29/2014 12:11:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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When I was a case manager, part of my voc rehab strategy was to get a comp insurance voucher to refer a client who obviously had guilt issues for therapy to work through whatever the problem was, because it was affecting everything unrelated.

It appears to me that the author of the article is using her story not only as a cautionary tale for mothers, but as a way to help her work through her own painful situation-and I hope that God will comfort her.

As for her daughter, I really can’t be sympathetic-she is responsible for her mother’s pain, as well as her own, and does not seem inclined to accept responsibility for anything...


20 posted on 09/29/2014 12:13:38 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up yoiur boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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