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Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa?
The Root ^ | September 22, 2014 | Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

Posted on 09/27/2014 12:46:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: rockrr

LOL! I thought that might generate a response from you! I think I’ll grab a beer, pop some popcorn, and see how long this thread goes.


81 posted on 09/28/2014 5:04:31 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk ("It's all gone to crap!")
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To: Bettyprob
...mixed breed bastards...

Wait, how did he know we'd elect Obama in 2008?

82 posted on 09/28/2014 5:11:48 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: BroJoeK
So Lincoln was perhaps surprised to learn that returning to Africa was not their first choice.

That tidbit is so rarely taught as to be extinct in modern education, but it is the most critical point in today's racial discussions. Where would you want to be if we would send you anywhere in the world?

Racism isn't causing poverty and the dissolution of the black family. Urban Democrat governing policies are.

83 posted on 09/28/2014 7:38:19 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DoodleDawg

You have simply been conditioned to think it is a big deal for people to naturally wish to associate with their own kind. Try thinking for yourself and escape the confines of your box.


84 posted on 09/29/2014 3:12:52 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
You have simply been conditioned to think it is a big deal for people to naturally wish to associate with their own kind.

Yes well it appears that we have both been conditioned to think in different ways.

85 posted on 09/29/2014 3:41:32 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I have been a professional life scientist for most of my life. I make observations and collect data. I write scientific papers. What do you do besides call people names that disagree with you?


86 posted on 09/29/2014 6:44:05 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

What “names” has DoodleDawg called anyone?


87 posted on 09/29/2014 6:53:24 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

“moron”


88 posted on 09/29/2014 6:58:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I said your statement was moronic. If you want to project that into being called a moron then so be it. But I’ll stand by my opinion of what you said.


89 posted on 09/29/2014 7:01:52 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Neoliberalnot

Yea, I don’t think so. But what I have noticed is that, for a “life scientist” your posts have heavily leaned on an emotional appeal or projection - neither one a particularly laudable trait.

How about arguing the relative merits of the topic?


90 posted on 09/29/2014 7:49:18 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Using pejorative terms to make a personal attack instead of refuting a statement is simply the approach used by sniveling liberals. Come up with a reasoned comment rather than the name calling. It is called keeping the discussion on an adult level.


91 posted on 09/29/2014 10:27:12 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: berdie

Strategic depth means that the defender can yield huge chunks of territory to the invader and still not be forced to engage decisively to stay in the field. Where could Hood go after he was forced to abandon Atlanta?


92 posted on 09/30/2014 9:58:59 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Read your documented history and note when Lincoln gained power he began stirring the war pot going on between these two states. This border war was the precursor and was started by people primarily from Massachusetts.

If you read the history, you will see that the "Kansas" issue was settled before Lincoln was elected. As to the "border war", the pro-slavery forces that invaded Kansas territory to rig elections played a very large role in the outbreak of violence, as did the pro slavery Democrat party power structure in Washington under President Buchanan.

"Bleeding Kansas" had become the focal point of the slavery crisis. The Kansas-Nebraska Act, signed three years before Buchanan came to power, allowed Kansans to decide by election whether to be a free or slave state. Chaos had ensued as Missouri "border ruffians" crossed into Kansas to vote for a proslavery territorial government in 1855. Free-Soilers opposed to slavery subsequently formed their own government and boycotted a call for a constitutional convention for the new state, which the proslavery forces then dominated.

Buchanan, eager to retain the support of proslavery Democrats, endorsed this proslavery constitution known as the Lecompton Constitution, though the document had been supported by only a minority of whites in Kansas. Even Buchanan's own territorial governor urged him not to accept these results. Instead, Buchanan sent a message to Congress urging acceptance of Kansas as a slave state. In Congress, Senator Stephen Douglas boldly challenged Buchanan's endorsement of the Lecompton plan and derailed it. He claimed that it was a fraud, passed by only a small minority of the voters in Kansas and therefore violated the principle of "popular sovereignty." Nevertheless, Buchanan prevailed over Douglas in the Senate.

In the House, a prolonged debate, with pro-Douglas Democrats joining Republicans, led to a compromise solution: the Constitution would be returned to Kansas for another vote. A new election was held in Kansas for a constitutional convention. This new convention soundly rejected slavery and set the stage for the admission of Kansas as a free state in June of 1861.

Source: http://millercenter.org/president/buchanan/essays/biography/4


93 posted on 10/01/2014 5:50:02 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

The Missouri-Kansas Border war continued even after the end of the north-south war. People in western Missouri were murdered by Kansas killers that invaded the region, stole property, and murdered men, children, and even some women. Lincoln gave the order to offer no quarter to people who resisted the federal authority. I suggest you read a well-documented history of the region complete with references from the time, not some modern day rewrite of the victor’s version only. During the Civil War, the western front was the scene of some of that conflict’s bloodiest and most barbaric encounters as Union raiders and Confederate guerrillas pursued each other from farm to farm with equal disregard for civilian casualties. Historical accounts of these events overwhelmingly favor the victorious Union standpoint, characterizing the Southern fighters as wanton, unprincipled savages. But in fact, as the author, himself a descendant of Union soldiers, discovered, the bushwhackers violent reactions were understandable, given the reign of terror they endured as a result of Lincolnís total war in the West.
Civil War on the Missouri-Kansas Border Hardcover – November 30, 2005

by Donald Gilmore (Author)


94 posted on 10/01/2014 6:49:31 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: RobbyS

Thank you for explaining.

Given that explanation...I can only agree.


95 posted on 10/03/2014 6:38:20 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Ditto

The South never forgave Douglas for this defeat.


96 posted on 10/03/2014 8:28:54 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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