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A Basket of Snakes
Townhall.com ^ | September 26, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/26/2014 6:12:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

"Once war is forced upon us, there is no other alternative than to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end.

"War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision."

So said Gen. MacArthur in some of the wisest counsel the old soldier ever gave his countrymen.

Yet, "prolonged indecision" would seem the essence of the war the president has begun to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the Islamic State.

For, following only one night of bombing in Syria, Gen. Bill Mayville, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs, asked to estimate how long this new war would last, replied: "I would think of it in terms of years."

"Years," the general said.

Yet, though we are already heavily into bombing, the president has no congressional authorization for this war in Syria.

Even Republicans are leery of voting for a war in Syria before the November elections. A third of the House GOP voted no to arming and training the Syrian rebels. The Democrats are even more wary.

And how are we going to "destroy" ISIS when Obama has ruled out U.S. combat troops and not one NATO or Arab ally has offered to send combat troops?

Consider Turkey. With its 400,000-man army, 1,000 planes, 3,600 tanks, 3,000 artillery pieces and self-propelled guns, the Turks, the largest military power in the Middle East, could make hash of the Islamic State.

Why have they not done so?

Because Turkish President Erdogan detests President Assad of Syria and has looked the other way as volunteers, including Turks, have crossed his border into Syria to join ISIS.

Up until now, this NATO ally has been a silent partner of ISIS. And, even now, Ankara has not volunteered to fight the Islamic State.

For Turkey is predominantly Sunni, and many Sunni see the Islamic State as a ruthless but effective ally against a Shia threat represented by Tehran, Baghdad, Damascus and Hezbollah.

If the Turkish army is not going to intervene in Syria against ISIS, and if Obama has ruled out U.S. boots on the ground in Iraq or Syria, where will the soldiers come from to dislodge the Islamic State from the Indiana-sized territory it has seized?

The Kurds can hold Erbil with U.S. air support. Iraq's regime, backed by its Shia militias, can hold Baghdad. But can the Iraqi army retake Fallujah, Mosul or Anbar, from which they so recently ran away?

Who are the major fighting forces in Syria who have for years been holding the line against ISIS? Answer: the Syrian army, Hezbollah troops from Lebanon, and Iranians, backed by Putin's Russia.

Denouncing the Islamic State for its beheadings of the two Americans and one British aid worker, Obama declared at the U.N.:

"There can be no reasoning -- no negotiation -- with this brand of evil. The only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. So the United States of America will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death."

Strong words, some of the strongest our Nobel Peace Prize-winning president has used in six years.

Yet, for three years, it has been NATO ally Turkey and Arab allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar who have been clandestinely aiding this "network of death." And it has been Assad, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia that have been resisting this "network of death."

A year ago, the American people rose up to demand that Obama and John Kerry keep us out of Syria's civil war, specifically, that they not carry out their threats to bomb the army of Bashar Assad.

Had it not been for Assad, Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia, the network of death Obama, rightly excoriated from that U.N. podium, might by now be establishing its caliphate, not in Raqqa but Damascus.

Before we go any deeper into Syria, Congress needs to be called back to debate and vote on whether to authorize this new war.

For this war against the Islamic State seems, for some in that blood-soaked region, not so much to be a war of good against evil, but the first of several wars they want America to fight.

For them, the Islamic State is to be destroyed by the Americans. Then the Assad regime is to be brought down by the Americans. Then Iran is to be smashed by the Americans. Everyone in the Middle East seems to have in mind some new war for the Americans to fight.

How many such wars are in our vital interests?

While, undeniably, the Islamic State has shown itself beyond the pale with its beheading of innocents and its massacres of soldiers who have surrendered, let us not forget that our allies abetted these monsters, while adversaries we have designated as terrorists and state sponsors of terror were fighting them.

Lord Palmerston had a point when he said Great Britain has no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, only permanent interests.

Those interests should determine our policy.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: foreignaffairs; iraq; isil; isis; obama; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; putinsbuttboys; randsconcerntrolls; rop; war
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1 posted on 09/26/2014 6:12:57 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Somewhere along the way Americans got the idea that politics could resolve military action.

NOT!

Until/unless they remember that defeat=destruction, these constant wars and the endless series of indecisive and costly actions WILL continue!!


2 posted on 09/26/2014 6:17:27 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Kaslin
With a “parade” like the one shown in the photo above, why don't we see another “Road to Baghdad” photo which left a “Trail of Destruction” behind after our military decimated the Iraqi army. Where is a General Schwatrzcof when you need one?
3 posted on 09/26/2014 6:18:21 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Kaslin

The picture at the top would make a good Toyota commercial.


4 posted on 09/26/2014 6:18:24 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: Kaslin

5 posted on 09/26/2014 6:18:38 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Kaslin

That’s why I no longer approve of these wars. They are not designed to win. They aren’t declared. The enemies aren’t named.

I fear they are based on economic objectives, and I know they are fought on political objectives.

We defeated Germany and Japan, unconditional surrender, in a little less than a 4 years. December of 41 to September of 45. Those two were among the top economic & military powerhouses of their day.


6 posted on 09/26/2014 6:20:59 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin
Is 0bama working for the Saudis to destroy the competition in middle east oil and to destroy US production?
7 posted on 09/26/2014 6:23:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Kaslin

there’s something fundamentally wrong...and very telling..about obama’s “degrade”...and destroy statement.....


8 posted on 09/26/2014 6:24:34 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: xzins

I think they are based solely on political factors, as well as being fought on them.

Since Vietnam all wars have been purely political....and even from time past, most wars were political. Sometimes economical.

The days of fighting wars to win them is long gone, and will never happen again.


9 posted on 09/26/2014 6:26:30 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: MeshugeMikey
there’s something fundamentally wrong...and very telling..about obama’s “degrade”...and destroy statement.....
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Indeed. His heart isn't in it.

His heritage, if not his true belief system, is Sunni. Add to that his inherent liberal bias against the military and the use of military force and you get the spineless Chief Executive that we now have defending our country and our culture.

10 posted on 09/26/2014 6:40:18 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: SMARTY

re: Somewhere along the way Americans got the idea that politics could resolve military action.

That stupid notion started with the last (In my opinion) great Democrat President, Harry S. Truman. And has continued right down to the current pResident.


11 posted on 09/26/2014 6:41:20 AM PDT by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Phillip Nolan by the day.)
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To: Arlis

I pretty much agree with you. 9/11 brought about the Gulf War, but it morphed into a financial boondoggle.


12 posted on 09/26/2014 6:42:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

SA created it and it can damn well take it out. We are not their hired hands and the ME can fry for all I care.


13 posted on 09/26/2014 6:42:39 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Arlis

I pretty much agree with you. 9/11 brought about the Gulf War, but it morphed into a financial/political cesspool.


14 posted on 09/26/2014 6:42:57 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Is it possible they cropped the Rio Grande out of the photo? ...


15 posted on 09/26/2014 6:44:06 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Kaslin
Once war is forced upon us, there is no other alternative than to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. … War’s very object is victory, not prolonged indecision. …
Looks like MacArthur was reading The Art Of War.
The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected. I:1-2

There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. II:6

In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns. II:19
Now which of the post-WWII presidents were really focused on victory? No such president would have fired a man such as MacArthur.
16 posted on 09/26/2014 6:44:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: InterceptPoint

the degrade..portion....appears to be The Red Flag...of “half heartedness” and not the language of a WARRIOR

degrade:

“treat or regard (someone) with contempt or disrespect.”

oh ....THAT will get the JOB Done!

obie Evidently plans on Disrespecting these heathen puke back into the stone age...


17 posted on 09/26/2014 6:48:23 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: InterceptPoint

WInston Obama

“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall Disrespect {the enemy} on the beaches, we shall Disrespect {the enemy} on the landing grounds, we shall Disrespect {the enemy} in the fields and in the streets, we shall Disrespect {the enemy} in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/winstonchu161337.html#O5FHsKm2L2mZOC69.99
WInston Obama


18 posted on 09/26/2014 6:52:25 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: Kaslin

At the projected rate of this degradation, the Muzz will replenish their ranks and infrastructure as fast, or faster, than we (and our allies, such as they are) can degrade them.


19 posted on 09/26/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: xzins
I fear they are based on economic objectives, and I know they are fought on political objectives.

You just described every war ever fought.

20 posted on 09/26/2014 6:56:23 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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