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In US, huge grain crops spell headache for farmers
Yahoo ^ | September 21, 2014 | Juliette Michel

Posted on 09/22/2014 5:36:25 AM PDT by redgolum

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To: thackney; redgolum
Oh boo, hoo, hoo. Yeah, them bumper crops sure is awful.

The fact is that farming is a lot like owning a hoard of gold that also pays current income.

And while we all like to point the finger of blame at the bad old railroads, the fact is that there isn't a grain car shortage; there is a handling and storage shortage in the inland grain industry. Increasing the number of grain cars would only transfer that shortage from inland elevators to export houses and processors.

61 posted on 09/22/2014 11:21:03 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: MHGinTN

>> Ethanol for fuel is, well, depriving animals who make wonderful dishes on the table.

Agreed

>> my preference is to go directly to hydrogen fuel.

Good luck with that. I have no problem with ANY alternative energy source whatsoever — burn unicorn dung if that’s your preference — as long as my tax dollars don’t subsidize it.

I will point out that the technology and infrastructure for pumping a liquid fuel into a tank that is at atmospheric pressure is rather well-developed and well-proven. :-)


62 posted on 09/22/2014 11:25:00 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: woodbutcher1963
Don’t most farmers sell their crop in advance on the CME futures board as a hedge against things like this that they can not control. If they have already sold in advance, what does it matter if the current price is lower?


63 posted on 09/22/2014 11:31:39 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Nervous Tick

OK, honesty works, what do you want?

Even if I could stop ethanol today, how would that change things for small engines?

You say 70% of them need rebuilds for ethanol, which is a suspect number in my book, but I’ll go with it for discussion sake. Are you saying that they haven’t been damaged yet, and so now they can be used? Or are you saying that they’ve run all this time without damage?

It’s very unclear what you want me to be honest about.


64 posted on 09/22/2014 11:53:09 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Twelve years ago I rebuilt a 1980 EZ-GO golf cart and we used it around the compound daily for many years. It ran out of gas and my wife filled it up with ethanol by mistake. The next day it was dead and hadn’t run since. Now I have to rebuild it again. Why? Ethanol.


65 posted on 09/22/2014 11:59:04 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

Bizarre.

NT asked me to be honest, and I agreed, so I’m asking the same of you.

Do you believe that manufacturers haven’t figured out how to make gaskets and seals which work with ethanol?


66 posted on 09/22/2014 12:02:24 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

They certainly have figured it out. BBBUUUUUTTTTT, I have many old vintage gas engines around here and now I should have to locate new made resistant gaskets, seals, TUBING, FLOATS, etc for these old engines then tear down each perfectly working engine and throw out perfectly good parts to replace them with new parts? My 1950 Evinrude dock-banger outboard probably isn’t a high priority item for gasket makers to jump right on and make new parts.

Look at many farms. There will be old tractors and a grain truck or dump truck that might get used once a year for ccertain chores. They work great. Fill er up with ethanol and you have the start of a scrap metal pile without rebuilding the engine either before or after the first tankful.


67 posted on 09/22/2014 12:51:53 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Balding_Eagle

>> OK, honesty works, what do you want?

I’d like it if you’d stop pushing the fallacy that the effects of ethanol on gasoline engines is “no big deal”.

That’s disingenuous.


68 posted on 09/22/2014 1:52:49 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

You’re saying it’s a big deal.

How do you measure that?

Think of the millions of vehicles on the road at this moment, and, as a practical matter, none are having problems relating to ethanol, nor are their engines wearing out because of ethanol.


69 posted on 09/22/2014 3:45:41 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: eartrumpet

There are a lot of reasons to end the ethanol.

The one you listed wouldn’t make the Top 20 list.


70 posted on 09/22/2014 3:46:49 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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Cars aren’t the only thing using gas. Millions of small engines are in use and almost none of them are ready for ethanol. A friend landed at an airport in his Super Cub and the gas pumps were broken. His airplane is rated for pump gas so he got some from town and dumped it in and flew on home. The floats in his fuel gauges were dissolved by the ethanol and dyed the sight glasses reddish pink. Our ‘94 Buick would barely run on ethanol, it would chug and slow over and over. Sure a new vehicle can take it, but an old chainsaw can’t. Or boat. Or car. Or truck. Or plane. Or tractor. Or generator. Or pump. Or.......

Here are some things it can do, none desirable.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine-2


71 posted on 09/22/2014 4:17:36 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

Let’s back up a bit.

Do you believe that manufacturers haven’t figured out how to make gaskets and seals which work with ethanol?


72 posted on 09/22/2014 4:27:34 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

You back up, I’ve already answered that for you.


73 posted on 09/22/2014 5:10:13 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

You did?

I missed it, did you say yes, or did you say no?


74 posted on 09/22/2014 5:13:16 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: redgolum

“In short, I fear we are seeing the bubble burst on ag commodities. I lived through that in the 1980’s, and this is shaping up to be worse.”

Which states will be most affected? Iowa and Nebraska would be at the top of my list


75 posted on 09/22/2014 5:13:39 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I said yes, of course.

Now lets say the government mandates new additives in all furniture polish. Any furniture made after 2007 would be able to use the new polish but any older furniture would simply need to be re-finished with the new resistant finishes, or it would fall apart. That wouldn’t be a problem for you or anyone else, would it? I mean, new furniture is all set to use the new polish. Who cares about old furniture?


76 posted on 09/22/2014 6:46:48 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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77 posted on 09/22/2014 9:08:56 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: eartrumpet

You need to take a reading comprehension course. No where did I say anything that could even be loosely construed to lead to that.


78 posted on 09/23/2014 6:19:58 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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