Posted on 09/02/2014 11:58:48 AM PDT by Borges
We have been to Pall Mall a coupla times
Sgt Yorks grandson was the park ranger when
we went there.There`s a very nice monument
nearby at the cementary.
Remember reading a coupla years ago that some
retired officers found the exact spot where
Sgt York won his MOH medal.
We went to TN for the first time in 2012 (Gatlinburg), but absolutely fell in love with it. Went back in 2013. I have already mapped out where Pall Mall is...and I’m going to get there someday! Thank you for your comment.
No one is disagreeing with the obvious, that FDR ended voluntary enlistments, just that you seem to make it some kind of big deal, with some greater meaning, is all.
For instance your cut-off quote.
“By February 1943 intake at Marine recruit depots had reduced to a trickle ...” **Those who wished to get into the fight early has already enlisted.**
For those of us that pay attention to the draft, it isn’t a revelation.
1) A unique event like FDRs cut-off of voluntary enlistments is a big deal. I’m not making it a big deal, it is a big deal. I’m not clear on why anyone would try to minimize it. I can think of no good reason for anyone to do so.
2) I cut off nothing important from that quote. BTW, what is the source of your unattributed link? I can guess, but it would be pointless.
3) Most folks don’t pay attention to the draft; to them, FDR’s unprecedented, unique cut-off of voluntary enlistment may well be a revelation.
Now Pall Mall is not a swanky place,but
it is a very neat rural SMALL town.
Doesn`t seem like so very long ago that I
saw a bunch of WW1 vets around here.
Had a neighbor that was gassed in France..slightly.
So sad to read that story about Doug and Amy.
RIP
***True hero. Saw the movie starring Gary Cooper.***
I believe some of his early life in the movie was fictionalized, but the battle scene was exactly as he described it.
Does anyone know what type rifle he used? I have read it was the 1917 Enfield, but also read that York and another man managed to get and use a Springfield 1903.
The rifles disappeared when shipped back to the US.
I received a nice FRmail from someone telling me about Fall of Eagles. My younger daughter had the privilege of going to see the trenches in France her freshman year of college. (this is someone whose fav movie was All Quiet on the Western Front and signed up for a core seminar of Pity of War which studied WW1).
We have never needed such a military before and enlistments were already fading while we needed millions and millions, and millions more men, it isn’t that big of a deal, it was easier to manage and more fair to simply start the mass drafts, which is probably why you are having such a problem explaining why it is.
Where do you think it is that the quote came from?
IIRC, York actually used a 1917 Enfield & also used a Colt 1911.
In the 1941 movie the York character uses a 1903 Springfield and a captured Luger.
It’s said that those who were issued 1917 Enfields soon got their hands on Springfields. One reason: the Enfield bolt cocks on closing like others in the Enfield family. With an SMLE British Enfield this actually makes for more rapid bolt manipulation (I own one, it really works that way) since the bolt rotates only 70 degrees to open. Not so the 1917 which rotates the usual 90 degrees.
Worth noting that the 1914 Eddystone Enfield (same as the 1917) in .303 was issued to British troops; they did not like it compared to the older “Smelly”.
The American Army needed small arms in huge quantities. Not enough 1911 Colts so Smith & Wesson and Colt produced their large frame revolvers in .45 ACP with moon clips.
Not enough Springfields so the Eddystone Enfield was adapted to 30-06.
Not enough Mosin-Nagants for the Russian Army so it was produced here; the U.S. expedition to Archangel & Murmansk in 1918 saw Mosins issued to U.S. Marines who hated them & called them “crowbars”.
In WWII, Gen. Omar Bradley traded his Colt .32 Auto sidearm for a 1903 Springfield. Go figure.
The movie, “Sergeant York” came to Nacogdoches, Texas in the summer of 1941. My mother had parked me there for the summer with her mother at the farm north of town. Once in a while I got to go to a movie. I went to see “Sergeant York”, not once, not twice, but three times while it played in Nacogdoches.
I was nine years old at the time and do not remember much of the movie itself. I do remember that the movie ticket cost five cents and a bag of popcorn was also a nickel.
It is hard to believe that he was able to do what he did.
***...the York character uses a 1903 Springfield and a captured Luger.***
I’ve read that he used a luger in the movie because the 1911 would not work with blanks.
1) If you wish to minimize the unprecedented, that’s your affair. Don’t use that as an excuse to project your problems explaining things onto others. It makes you look bad.
2) Guessing where you got your unattributed quote would be pointless, as I said previously. You posted it; why don’t you be honest and say where you got it?
Hmm...almost any autoloading weapon can be blank-adapted by constricting the muzzle end. Or maybe nothing but live ammo could make the 1911 unlock & cycle.
Or perhaps the producers wanted to make it look like York wrenched that Luger from a German’s hand. How he got hold of that German officer & convinced him that further resistance was futile is amazing in itself.
Germans, like us, hoped to survive the war. Can’t say that about our current enemy.
Minimize what, you don’t seem to have much to say about it either.
You seemed to have something about the source you thought that quote came from, I’m curious what that source is that you almost named.
Cite your sources.
Are you ashamed of where you got that? Do you perhaps not know where it came from? It’s time for you to come clean.
Sheesh ... how can I trust ANYTHING you post?
“Let’s just start the celebration by getting the SOBs of office.”
All 535 in Congress? All the members of the Executive Branch? All but Thomas, Scalia and Alito in the Judicial Branch?
La guillotine is our friend.
OK, I'm game, what do you think the source is? You sound very ominous.
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