Posted on 09/01/2014 7:03:12 AM PDT by kindred
Yes, where are the lists that the GOP will promise to destroy?
I hear crickets again but there is no action from the so called conservative GOP. Why? They are going along for the ride and look forward to enslaving Americans as much as the communist democrats do.
OK. Do you have evidence she “supported or believed in the principles of Communism (Marxism-Leninism),” which is of course the most extreme variant of Socialism, leftism and Marxism?
The problem here is that I think we need to use words precisely. Not all leftists are Communists. Leftism, like conservatism, exists on a spectrum. Only the most extreme leftists are actually Communists. As can be seen by the extermination campaigns waged by Communists whenever they gained power against any leftists even slightly less extreme.
You know, if we’re going to accuse people of things like that, we ought to provide evidence.
I’ve never seen any, but I won’t claim it can’t exist.
Let’s be exact when using the term “avowed communist”.
To be “precise” a person can be a communist and not be an official member of the Communist Party.
I think it’s a good idea. If you call anyone with beliefs to the left of your own “a Communist,” then the term quickly loses all real meaning, and you have no way to refer to those who actually are Communists.
It’s similar to the overuse of the terms racist and fascist in recent decades. When all these terms really mean is “someone who disagrees with me,” then you have no way to talk about genuine racists and fascists.
Yes, of course. The dictionary definitions are along the lines of “one who supports or believes in Communism.”
With Communism, in this context, usually referring to Marxism-Leninism, dictatorship of the proletariat and all that.
All I’ve asked in this thread is some evidence that Mom, or stepdad, or the grandparents held such beliefs, as opposed possibly to general leftist POVs.
BTW, “avowed communist” would refer to someone making a public declaration of belief, not just a privately held opinion.
Thanks for reposting this information.
That list of 40 items is the marijuana gateway drug for many Democrats. But they do not know they don't know they bought into may of those bullet points, Sheeple in it's truest sense. And because of their epistemological fog of the unknown we are a lesser nation "Fundamentally Transforming" into what? So does that make our neighbors pulling the "D" lever almost unaware useful idiots? Do they realize what they are doing to their kids and grand-kid's future? Are we the only ones awake as we focus on what Mark Levin calls "Core Principals"?
I don't want to live in a country that is a fuzzy headed version of France or England, if my neighbors really want that, than why don't they move their and leave us who understand what the Founders Gifts were let us live without this "Transformation"?
Sheesh!
I had more but that was on another laptop and I did the research for myself not for you.
FYI
No, I was not able to find “Gramp’s” wallet in search of his CPUSA card. Sorry. (rolling eyes)
To be precise, I hope the “you” in post is not referring to **me**!
The best available evidence I can find of the claim that his grandfather Dunham was a communist was his association with Frank Marshall Davis. It is Obama himself who says it was his grandfather who introduced him to Davis and that he, Davis, became a mentor for young Barack. Davis is a well documented communist, including some sources who show his party registration number.
Guilt by association?
This does not necessarily prove Dunham was himself a communist but there are certainly strong indications he was a sympathizer.
The president’s mother was publicly described by a college classmate as a “fellow traveller”. Circumstantial evidence surely, but concerning language at the least.
The resident’s admitted affinity for the Marxist professors during his early collegiate years also leads one to surmise a prior affinity. Conclusive, no, he could have been in rebellion as many 19 year old kids at college will do, but there seems to be no evidence of a family history of being the bourgeoisie that would point to what he would have been rebelling against.
The available evidence seems to.point towards him being raised at the very least with a strong progressive bent. So the question becomes:
Is he following a Marxist line along which he was raised, or
Has he taken the strong liberals progressive teachings under which he was raised to their logical next step, which is still Marxism.
Either way the evidence seems to indicate he was raised with, and believes, the things he espouses. Was he radicalized as a child under the Dunhams and Davis’s, or was he a sympathizer radicalized as an adult under Alinsky and Ayers - that seems to be the only real remaining question on this particular matter.
I would be helpful if Free Republic had an edit option. My last post should read as follows:
To be precise, I hope the “you” your in post is not referring to **me**!
An interesting article.
Remarkably little in the way of avowed public statements of support for Communism on the part of Mom or the grandparents, though.
One, to my mind really odd, item is that it points out that Mom went to a high school where the chairman of the school board had previously been a member of the Party. That is a really peculiar thing to bring up, to my mind. For one thing, quite a few stout fighters against Communism had at one point been members of the Party, before their eyes were opened. According to this reference, he fell into this group.
Yes, the Dunhams had friends who were probably “avowed Communists,” but that’s very different from being such themselves.
Here’s one actual comment in the article that might show Mom’s political POV:
“She spent most of her latter years establishing micro credit banking in Indonesia and other countries so the poorest third world women could become independent small businesspersons, not socialist slaves.”
This is not the activity of an “avowed Communist.” True commies believe that any such efforts to make the system work better for the poor are by definition counter-productive to the cause. They believe in doing what they can to make things worse for the poor, not better, in order to better incentivize them for the Revolution.
I’m perfectly willing to be persuaded that Mom or the grandparents were “avowed Communists.” I just haven’t seen any real evidence to that effect yet.
In particular, I haven’t seen any evidence that the grandparents were politically active at all. May exist, of course.
Nah. Should probably use “one” rather than “you,” but to my ear it always sounds a bit pretentious and over-precise.
Ridicule. A primary weapon of the Alinskites.
How powerful is it?
Powerful enough to prevent all the major “conservative” talk show hosts from talking about what they all know to be true: That “Obama” is an illegal alien Communist Muslim terrorist.
Powerful enough to prevent EVERY Republican member of Congress from talking about what they ALL know, that “Obama” is an illegal alien Communist Muslim terrorist.
The People’s Republic of Obamastan.
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