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Scotland's Future Hangs in Balance
Townhall.com ^ | August 28, 2014 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/28/2014 9:17:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

"The best laid schemes of mice and men often go awry." -- Scottish poet Robert Burns, "To a Mouse" (1786)

CAIRNRYAN, Scotland -- For Americans whose knowledge of this beautiful land is limited to kilts, whiskey, bagpipes and the film "Braveheart," the forthcoming referendum on whether Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom or become an independent nation will come as a curiosity at best.

The primary objection of those favoring separation is the lack of self-determination granted to Scots by the British government. Though Westminster in recent months has devolved more powers to Edinburgh, those favoring separation say it is not enough. In the final debate Monday night before the September 18

vote (a turnout of 80 percent is predicted), the chairman of the "Better Together" campaign, Alistair Darling, engaged in the rhetorical equivalent of a heavyweight prizefight with Alex Salmond, first minister of Scotland.

Salmond was declared the winner of the debate, decisively defeating Darling on performance, despite numerous interruptions by both men. Darling mostly had the better of it on substance when he noted the uncertainty that would follow separation, especially over the currency that will be used, the debt Scotland could still owe Britain, lost revenue from North Sea oil and gas and "thousands" of jobs that might be lost if U.S. Trident submarines were forced to leave Scottish waters, since presently, the U.S. is allied firmly with Great Britain, who, after separation, would no longer hold sway over Scottish ports.

The referendum generally pits a younger liberal population in favor of separation against older, more conservative Scots. Listening to questions from the Glasgow audience in the nationally televised debate, I was struck by how much the ideological battles here resemble U.S. politics, especially when it comes to defense. The naive argument by one young man, who appeared no older than 30, that ridding Scotland of nuclear weapons will somehow make the country safer might make some liberals feel better in the short term, but it denies the reality of peace through strength and the superior argument that having nuclear weapons serves as a deterrent.

Salmond mentioned the aging and increasingly dysfunctional National Health Service and the thousands of Scots who have come to rely on it. He wondered whether they will become victims of budget cuts, privatization and austerity measures should Scotland remain part of the UK. He's right, of course. NHS is running in the red and cannot sustain itself, but parting ways with Britain won't fix that for Scotland, reports the Daily Mirror, and Salmond has no viable alternative to the NHS. Darling might have pointed this out to him, but he chose not to.

Another similarity with U.S. politics was the failure of both men to challenge the populace to rely less on government and more on themselves. "We can't go on like this" might not sit well with voters who have come to rely too much on government and as a result contributed to the national debt of both countries, but it is reality.

Polls taken before the final debate show the pro-separation side still trailing by 14 percent those who wish Scotland to remain part of Britain, but people are now paying attention. The loudest applause of the night came when Salmond closed with this line: "This is our time, it's our moment. Let us do it now."

Scottish independence would further weaken what remains of Britain's once great "empire." It could also seriously weaken Scotland, which could learn that unlike the young adult who leaves home unprepared and soon has to return, there may be no going back if Scotland leaves the "home" it has lived in for more than 300 years.


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1 posted on 08/28/2014 9:17:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Close - actually “The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men, gang aft agley.”


2 posted on 08/28/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Kaslin

Considering how England is arse kissing and producing radical Muzzies I would say go independent ASAP.


3 posted on 08/28/2014 9:25:41 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: NCjim

Thank you. love Burns, he rules.


4 posted on 08/28/2014 9:26:08 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Kaslin

Cal, you dope.


5 posted on 08/28/2014 9:26:35 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

But the head honcho of this effort wants Scotland to join the EUSSR, so it would be just a break from England, but not independence.


6 posted on 08/28/2014 9:29:12 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Kaslin

Turns out Robert the Bruce (Braveheart) is my 20th Grandfather (or however you say that....)


7 posted on 08/28/2014 9:30:14 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FReerepublic: Bring a FRiend!)
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To: Kaslin

The Pro-Independence vote is going down and going down hard.


8 posted on 08/28/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jocon307
One of my favorites is To a Louse which includes the lines

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!

9 posted on 08/28/2014 9:36:07 AM PDT by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Kaslin

As it is, England, Wales and Northern subsidize Scotland.

Without the subsidy, Scots would have to downsize their governments’ spending.

Logically and rationally.


10 posted on 08/28/2014 9:45:13 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Kaslin

Independence makes no difference. In the long run, the entire continent including England and Scotland, are a train wreck


11 posted on 08/28/2014 9:46:16 AM PDT by Viennacon (liberals are like vomit in many ways)
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To: NCjim

My mother loved that too!


12 posted on 08/28/2014 9:47:20 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Kaslin
These brave hearts who filled our frontiers and won the land from their murderous predecessors, first came to fight against Americans in the Revolution, because they were promised for that service to be able once again, to wear the tartans and carry arms, and to pipe the terror-inducing war threnodies calling for valor in battle, which tokens were forbidden under English tyranny for many years because of their allegiance to the Stuarts, esp. to the memory of "The Bonnie Prince, Charlie."

Thank the Lord for them and their Reformed theology, for John Knox and Scottish engineering, for stiffening the American spine in our worst struggles for freedom! May their loyalty since to our Flag be heralded forever!

13 posted on 08/28/2014 10:00:04 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Kaslin

That’s “whisky,” not “whiskey.”


14 posted on 08/28/2014 10:02:48 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Kaslin

I know for fact that Liberals here in America, are equivalent to Communists, does that hold true in Scotland?

They should IMO dump the EU!

As far as all things political go here in America...Revolution NOW!


15 posted on 08/28/2014 10:26:26 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Kaslin
"The referendum generally pits a younger liberal population in favor of separation against older, more conservative Scots."

Not quite. While the old are in favor of Union, so are the very young: the old-enough-to-vote teens and early twenty-somethings. It's the thirty-somethings and middle-aged that most support secession. The old know that if Scotland leaves, then that means no more London paying their pensions. The very young know where the gravy train comes from too. In the end, the vote will fail. Overall, Scotland doesn't have the nads to go it alone. Too much responsibility, too much pain in the transition, too much addiction to benefits cheques from London.
16 posted on 08/28/2014 10:30:51 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I wonder how many mudslimes are in Scotland, though. Have no idea.


17 posted on 08/28/2014 10:33:49 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

If any country can get out of alliances with the EU and the tentacles of global banks, where’s the downside?


18 posted on 08/28/2014 10:37:57 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Scotland can become a bank center and brass plate office HQ tax haven.


19 posted on 08/28/2014 10:52:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

Isn’t 95% of Scotland on welfare?


20 posted on 08/28/2014 11:23:09 AM PDT by warsaw44
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