CDC Ebola Failure Will Add to Public Distrust of Government

Townhall.com ^ | August 21, 2014 | Tom Borelli

[Noamie]

With respect, you are confused. This “Unit” is just a part of EUH. Literally inside EUH. As the article is saying.

The “unit” members are staff nurses and doctors at EUH. They train, occaisionally and with limited funding, for high-risk pathogen quarantine.

There is nothing terribly special about it except a fun title.

In other hospitals we are using parked RVs to isolate patients and it’s considered just as good.

Personally, I advocate for the RVs because they are easier to isolate and decontaminate. No one in. No one out.

[ansel12]

I know what the unit is, and it is considered one of 4 units that advanced, you have gone from saying they were nothing special, that they just used some plastic and gorilla tape, to now claiming that we have RV units just as sophisticated.

Just what is your deal, and why are you furious and worked up?

[kitchen]

These individuals are being held in quarantine in RV vehicles on [Serving In Mission]’s campus in Charlotte, NC.

Priced to sell! Several late model RVs. Like new condition. Minor stains on carpets and walls.

[Noamie]

I tried to be helpful by sharing my experiences there. I no longer believe that I can assist you.

I wish you the best.

[ansel12]

You were simply raving, mostly nonsense, don’t pretend that you were trying to help me with anything.

[GladesGuru]

“It isn’t Christian to leave our Ebola researchers and doctors, soldiers and CDC personnel to die in Africa.”

All of those people in those occupations know the risks inherent in their chosen activity. Your posted position assumes transportation to America would provide supportive care not possible in Africa.

As only basic support for Ebola patients is available, other than an experimental drug, and as both can be provided outside America, to chance introduction of “an invasive species” such as Ebola, seems unwise.

From an ethical, medical, and legal perspective - risking such a potentially catastrophic plague should be called what it is - “reckless”.

From what I know of religion and history, reckless is not considered a “Christian” virtue.

As someone who lives with the results of reckless introduction of dangerous organisms, may I suggest subjecting the many to the whims of the few has not worked out in the past.

Tomorrow doesn't look any better for reckless introduction of invasive organisms.

It really is better if Ebola is kept out of America. On that basis, the “Bambino Latrino” invasion the commie-crats are now loosing on America will prove to be disastrous.

[ansel12]

Your post is just nonsense, read posts 13 and 18, those four units, perhaps unique in the world, do “”provide supportive care not possible in Africa””, your unchristian dislike for our soldiers, missionaries and researchers fighting to contain Ebola is clear.

We have plenty of Ebola in America (and Canada) being used by researchers, for instance in San Diego, Ebola research and SARs cases and other such diseases and research is why the special medical unit at Emory was built next to the CDC labs.

[GladesGuru]

“your unchristian dislike for our soldiers, missionaries and researchers fighting to contain Ebola is clear.”

What you claim I posted is what you read, not what I posted.

Perhaps working on your reading comprehension will help.

Also, knowledge is your friend, if you can accept it. That flight was not a Gubment operation, just done by that mission group - assuming the news data was not cooked too badly.

Ebola inside a Level Four containment facility is one thing, an Ebola patient in a chartered plane and traveling in America is another thing.

Or did you believe chartered medical flight planes were Level Four Containment approved?

[Lazamataz]

Mark. My. Words.

Marked.

So I can gloat when you are wrong.

I have had a chance to OBSERVE what goes on at the CDC. Some of the 'affirmative action' hires you decry are so much more intelligent than I am, that I use them as resources.... and I am no slouch, intellectually.

Further, 'liberals only hiring liberals'? Would you describe me as a liberal? Would you describe my staunch conservative co-workers as liberals? Of the team I am part of, I know of 4 conservatives, 10 unknown-affiliations, and ONE liberal.

[Noamie]

Cool. Maybe we were there at the same time. Old building, or new?

[Lazamataz]

Private mail sent.

[Lazamataz]

Private mail sent.

[ansel12]

Man, what an ax you have to grind against our heroes on the front line, the flight was also a special unit. We are weeks into this, how do you not already know all these facts?

"There’s a special jet equipped for such journeys and it contains a portable pod built by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Defense Department and a private company. And this plastic isolation tent is where the patient will remain, on a stretcher, throughout the voyage."

"The equipment on the plane includes three layers of protection: a room entirely encased in plastic sealed off from the outside; a crew of healthcare givers wearing protective gear including doctors and nurses; and a patient’s bed, also entirely sealed off with care administered through gloves built in to the sides, according to a CNN video demonstration.

There’s negative air pressure in the plastic room, CNN reports — meaning the pressure is lower inside the room than outside so if there’s a rip in the plastic, air will rush in, not out. Ebola is a not an airborne disease so it doesn’t really matter whether air rushes in or out, a CNN commentator said, but it’s a protocol that’s being followed. Inside the plane, there’ll be a doctor, nurse, epidemiologist, maybe anesthesiologist and a single patient — just one patient at a time is being brought home.

The healthcare crews will wear protective gear. All care as they monitor the patient’s heart rate, temperature, respiratory reactions — everything has to be done through all of this

Even if the patient starts going into cardiac arrest or has violent vomiting or bleeding — he or she must be treated with gloves reaching through the sides of the protective layer because it’s the body fluids that make people sick with ebola."

[GladesGuru]

As you seem to be one of “The Men On The Wall”, might I ask you why you have difficulty answering my question about whether those who deliberately go harm’s would want to take any chance of bringing that harm(Ebola in this case) to America?

I am aware of the aircraft equipment, and how and why CDC has Level Four facilities. However, errors occur, and chances capable of such magnitude of negative impact, arguably, should not be taken where avoidable.

Those people can be given equivalent treatment outside America.

As for your ad hominem argument “Man, what an ax you have to grind against our heroes on the front line,” might I note that what you read is not what I wrote.

Logic could be your friend if you let it.

Lastly, as a self defined “Sheep Dog” do you hold that one willing to place their life on the line to treat a disease like Ebola would want to take any risk of said disease being accidentally introduced into America? Or would a real “Sheep Dog” opt for treatment outside America?

That question is really at the core of our debate. What do you think?

[petitfour]

I am guessing that Dr. Brantly did not make the decision to be transported back to the US. but by the time he arrived here, he was on the upswing from having been in grave condition a few days before. I don’t know if you have ever been in grave condition, but it isn’t exactly a time when one has all their faculties. Others make the decisions. I have seen someone be in grave condition and then within 24 hours be able to walk. A few transfusions and bags of fluid later, a lot can change.

[ansel12]

Your posts are getting weirder, what is “The Men On The Wall”, you also just asked me “whether those who deliberately go harm’s would want to take any chance of bringing that harm(Ebola in this case) to America?” what does that have to do with receiving treatment at our specialized unit in Atlanta?

They aren’t “bringing” Ebola to America, they are getting treatment for it, and Ebola is already in America, how do you think we infect animals with it?

There is no equivalent treatment in Africa.

I think our sheepdogs expect to be treated at the center especially created 12 years ago to treat them and others before that, they do not expect you to be out there shoving them back into Africa and refusing them.

Your panicky call to condemn them to die in place is anti-Christian, not Christian.

[GladesGuru]

Good luck trying your agumentum ad hominem on this article:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/airborne_transmission_of_ebola.html

Please not the author’s concerns are what I attempted to raise in my discussion with you.

May I suggest reason over faith when dealing with things of this world?

[ansel12]

See post 36, if you have something that you want to say, post it.