Skip to comments.Ukraine Says Russian Armored Vehicles Destroyed
Posted on 08/15/2014 9:11:50 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
MOSCOWUkrainian artillery destroyed a large part of a column of armored vehicles that had been seen entering Ukraine from Russia, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday.
Ukraine, backed by Western capitals, has for weeks accused Russia of sending men and heavy weapons to pro-Russia rebels that hold several towns and cities in Ukraine's east.
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Oh My —
Looks like it’s started.
I think Russia will eventually win in this, but Ukraine will hurt them in the process it appears.
Hard to tell, given the caution on both sides of the border. The financial markets are certainly reacting negatively, although they tend to over-predict the possibility of trouble.
I agree. But my question is this: How bad are the Russians willing to be hurt?
Nobody thought the Afghans would outlast the Russians. We figured we'd bleed them for decades, but the theoretical endgame was a troublesome new Soviet Socialist Republic that would give the Russians headaches for a good long while before succumbing.
My reaction too. This is not good.
Now we’ll see if the Russians use this event as an excuse for action similar to what they did Georgia back in ‘08.
And in other news the boy president shot a round of 96 today.
Well what did the Russians expect — a tickertape parade???
With respect to Mr. Romneys assertion that Russias our No. 1 geopolitical foe, the truth of the matter is that, you know, Americas got a whole lot of challenges. Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighborsnot out of strength but out of weakness. — President Obama, March, 2014
If somebody destroyed Russian armor then I can’t help but believe it must have been someone with support from the West. So, regading this being “not good”, I concur.
A great many tanks used by the Russian army from the T34 through the T80 were manufactured in the Ukrainian Kharkov factory. I’m betting they know every weakness and ways to exploit them.
Real life “Russian FTX Field Exercise” - nothing to see here...
Poroshenko is claiming this, but there is no confirmation, either from Russia, or the rebels.
If you have been following these events, you’ll know that Poroshenko HAS to say this, because it made the major media. That has been the MO all along, whether it is true or not.
There is heavy fighting along the road to Lugansk, as Kiev is trying to cut it, to prevent aid for the city, and a key village has changed hands a couple of times in the last two days.
OUTSTANDING!!! Get ‘em, Ukraine. Stop Russian imperialism.
If you have been following these events, youll know that the rebels HAVE to say this, because it made the major media. That has been the MO all along, whether it is true or not.
They have SU-25's, which are A-10 equivalents. A dozen of them have been shot down by Russian air defense units firing across the border. They need F-22's and F-35's to bomb without getting hit. The Israelis routinely knock out SAM batteries in Syria for locking on to their aircraft, but the Ukrainians aren't dealing with Syria.
Per the UK Telegraph’s Oliphant, with the aid convoy, this was setup on the Russian side of the border at Izvarino/Donetsk, Russia.
Twitter says it is the support Radar for an S-300/400 battery.
It just got a whole lot more interesting....
Trucks in a Russian humanitarian aid convoy pictured parked in a field outside the town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky in Rostov region, some 30 km from the Russian-Ukrainian border, Russia, on August 15, 2014 (AFP Photo/Dmitry Serebryakov)
A Russian military truck transporting a self-propelled howitzer 2S19 - MSTA-S (M1990 "Farm" NATO classification) is seen near the town of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky in the Rostov region, Russia, some 30 km from the Ukrainian border, on August 15, 2014 (AFP Photo/Sergei Venyavsky)
“We had a treaty with Ukraine”
We had a “Memorandum of Understanding”, (Clinton’s Budapeest Memorandum from 1991) which is a just worthless piece of paper when a Democrat is in the White House.
There was never any defense treaty with Ukraine. That requires a vote of the Congress.
Lugansk militia claims to have captured a NatGuard mine-laying team along the road to Lugansk.
Incursions from Russia have been going on a while now. Nothing new.
From the article:
This time it’s different: many foreign witnesses of Russian military crossing the border. No more fairy tales of captured or purchased in convenience store weapons.
A BBC reporter got to look inside some of those trucks and he found a large pile of nothing
Which means A-10s would be mincemeat against a "modern" opponent without air superiority to begin with.
Likely lucky we didn't have to rely on them against a Soviet T-72 horde coming through the Fulda Gap (unless, of course, we ruled the air before-hand).
That “aid” convoy was carrying soldiers. Reinforcements.
The “rebels” are Russians. I think we need to stop pretending they are Ukrainian rebels, heck Russia just delivered about 240 trucks of troops to them
So all the arms and weapons and ammo got off loaded enroute,, or sumthin’.
Better to be safe than blow’d up.
Sometimes the bully is a genuine bad-ass and resents the bloody nose you just gave him.
If it was a column of 20 or so APCs, it may not have been smart to shoot them.
Absolutely NOT TRUE.
Bill Clinton signed a tripartite agree with Ukraine and Russian assuring Ukraine's territorial integrity.
That doc was never submitted to the US Senate for ratification due to widespread DERISION by several senior senators and foreign policy guru's. Mostly Republicans.
It would have committed the USA to Existential War to protect Ukraine.
And that would have been downright stupid.
Oh, it was never submitted to the Russian Duma for ratification either.
In other words the Ukraine kept up their side of a bargain that nobody else took seriously.
The worse choice for the Ukrainians was to not hit the Russian military inside Ukraine.
The courage of these Ukrainians who fight for independence impresses me to no end.
Then we should give the Ukrainians some nukes. That would make Putin’s terror more costly.
Clinton made them give them up.
It may not have anything to do with the outcome, either way.
Russia's calculus is purely political at this point.
They are not worried about an insurgency in Easter Ukraine should the decide to annex it since a LARGE portion of the population is ethnically Russian...and another significant portion is sympathetic.
It's not like the USA is going to build a sea-bridge to Odessa and drive 1500 Abrams tanks to Donetsk. Nor are we going to project any other form of sufficient power to challenge the Russian Military openly in the field.
The is NO VIABLE military counter to Russia in Ukraine.
It's apparent you don't understand the implications of your statement.
I know and if our leaders were honorable they would be living up to the promise made on behalf of the American people. Few people trust us anymore, once upon a time it was the opposite.
Not true a lie repeated too often here. The people is eastern Ukraine want to remain part of Ukraine. The rebels are a very small majority. Most men in those regions did not join them.
Revisit the results of the Gulf War. You are correct in the sense that air superiority would need to be established. You could also add SAM suppression. Six A-10s were lost in the conflict. Four by SAMs, two by crashes on landing. It decimated Soviet hardware doctrine and tactics. The open desert terrain made it easier to spot and kill armored columns. While the European front would’ve offered easier conceal ability, it would hinder mobility. It had excellent protection and survivability against MANPADS and Shilkas. It would have and has performed better than you believe. It’s offensive and defensive capabilities outclass the SU-25 in every way.
I understand the implications very well, I also understand honor and the fact we will be trading more than harsh words with the Russians in the not to distance future. The Coward in Chief will be removed one way or another.
The mistake many make is assuming because many Ukrainians’ first language is Russian, they must be loyal to Russia.
Think of it like Ireland, how many Irish still have Gaelic as their first language, instead of English?
Now there's a voice of reason. Remember those missile bases in Cuba?