Posted on 08/02/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by bray
Impeachment is a Democrat tar baby.
As I have said before, In the current media environment, Impeachment would be an absolute mistake.
What we should be doing is stating very clearly, and loudly that everyone in this administration, ESPECIALLY THE MINIONS, will be held personally accountable for the crimes and abuses that have been committed.
“Personally” meaning THEY have to pay for their own attorneys, and will do jail time when convicted.
The threat of actual criminal charges against the low-level minions will shake up that cone of silence. Obama can’t pardon everybody, and if he does, that in itself is proof enough to go after them.
impeachment can be used as a political weapon without actually firing it
Rush has been good of late on this..impeachment is a political weapon of last resort....
you do not need to use but neither do you forbid it use...
think of it like a Cold War nuke..the threat can be used to put a rouge in check
We have rogue president out to destroy this country we are in a cold Civil War
If by some chance we win in 2016 then we can go after him. My recommendation for AG is Trent Gowdy.
Exactly!
Was a weapon, but not the main weapon, as that remains the propagandist Media, which more than ever controls public perception and opinion.
Numerous Gallup polls show that almost nobody trusts the current media.
We should not be afraid of them and do the right thing.
Well that was the first sentence of the articles, the Democrats talking point of late is only Republicans impeach.
I say that’s a blatant falsehood, Democrats impeach..
The fact that the Democrats got to there goal of removing a president before they actually submitted articles of impeachment is irrelevant.
It also shows how much impeachment is a political weapon. The Democrats were able to leverage the power of media to get Nixon ...vs the Republicans inability to leverage media with Clinton..
If the media were not totally in the tank for Obama he would have been hounded out of office just like Nixon. While Obama has done many thing worthy of impeachment, it would be a repeat of the Clinton impeachment with Democrats in lockstep in support and the media bring up the chorus. I say wait until November when there is a GOP landslide and both houses of Congress are in Republican hands. Obama will be backed into a corner and if he continues to ignore Congress with his executive orders then consider impeachment. I believe that not just a few Democrats are worried about Obama suddenly legalizing this flood of immigrants as the American people including minorities are opposed to such a move. Obama’s impeachment and removal from office could then be quite bipartisan.
The Democrats have become a fighting party, in the Bolshevik/NSDAP sense of the word. If you think that a poll is going to make them turn on “Obama”, you are sadly mistaken.
FUBO
you will be proven an ignoramus by mid 2015, to the point, even your most ardent supporters will be forced to admit you are an insufferable Devil Worshipin, Satanic Inspired, Kommunist.
Right now, many prominent supporters are openly admitting they are “disappointed”.
Cheap azz Kenyan imitation of an American.
You came with no batteries, instructions that can’t be decifered and half the time you just don’t work.
“think of it like a Cold War nuke..the threat can be used to put a rouge in check”
Very bad analogy. Impeachment is a hollow threat without the votes in the Senate.
Victory above all. Morals are for little people.
I believe that you are reading what you want to read. Impeachment has three possible outcomes, all political:
1. Conviction in the Senate and removal from office
2. Acquittal by the Senate
3. Adjournment of the Senate sitting in trial without a vote. This is what happened in Clinton’s Impeachment.
You can pursue the truthful message without any of the above. You can go after liberal Senators in red states without permitting the Democrats to energize their lethargic base. Given that the only good outcome of the three is unachievable, a different course of action is preferrable.
I believe you are denying what you want to deny.
Impeachment has three possible outcomes, all political: 1. Conviction in the Senate and removal from office 2. Acquittal by the Senate 3. Adjournment of the Senate sitting in trial without a vote. This is what happened in Clinton’s Impeachment.
As I pointed out, the failure to remove from office can still lead to three positive outcomes.
1. Rallying the people who don't like Obama and his actions.
2. Demonstrating to the remaining people that Obama and his actions deserve to be impeached.
3. Politically hurting the Democrat senators in red states who defended Obama's action and who voted not to remove Obama.
You can pursue the truthful message without any of the above.
The truthful message is that Obama should be impeached. There is no better way to articulate that message than to impeach.
You can go after liberal Senators in red states without permitting the Democrats to energize their lethargic base.
The Democrats will make things up and energize their base no matter what we. They've been doing it every election cycle.
We only do well when we energize the normal people in this country who aren't brainwashed. Go back and check our best election cycles and you will see that.
Remember 2010 when Republicans were fighting Obamacare. We had a great election cycle.
Do you remember 2008 and 2012 when the surrender types were in charge of the election cycle for the Republicans. Look what happened then.
You don’t understand, you can selectively cut off funding for any program...even departments can become unfounded. You can shut down the funding for the IRS, for DOJ, for Obama’s use of Air Force One for fundraising. And you can leave anything else intact.
While I appreciate your hopeful idealism on this subject, one thing that must never be forgotten is democrats live, breathe, eat, sleep and exist for the furtherance of their beloved Party. Liberals don’t think like Americans who chiefly value their families, country and God. Libs would give all that up if the interests of their Party were served. Their Party is their lifeblood; it’s their conduit to power and like the fellow-traveling Soviets before them, their connection to life. The Party is their Holy Spirit, and Obama is their god.
Ever notice the level of vitriol from libs when you utter even the mildest form of criticism toward their beloved Party or Obama? You’ve deeply and personally wounded them and their god.
They will never turn their backs on Obama. They’d sooner toss their families off the Golden Gate Bridge.
again I'm not advocating impeachment there isn't a political will in place ...yet... to actually pull the trigger and put him out of office.
But.... if you already excluded impeachment upfront.... then you just saying he can do... whatever he wants... and all you will do is stand around and just whine about it?.
look.. if he just unilaterally legalizes 12 million illegal give them the vote just before an election do we just stand around with our thumb up our ass?
Look the left are bully's.. and he is their leader... bully's will just keep abusing you, pushing the envelope more and more, until you fight back you can't say ..Oh I will never strike back.. even if the bully may win you still gotta fight back, throw a solid punch, at some point
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