Posted on 07/31/2014 2:25:13 PM PDT by Wage Slave
The CDC and Emory are joined at the hip. If anyone is going to be professional and good with this, it is these two, non-eventful recent mishaps nonwithstanding.
Emory faculty had a nice level 4 facility they’d never used. That’s their main consideration.
That, and the funding stream they’ll inevitably get from this.
Well, and all the Science and Nature publications.
Hubris writ large.
If it gets out they should be held financially, legally and personally responsible.
I’m not showing an Emory-managed P4 lab. There are two in Atlanta, in CDC buildings. There is a chance the P4 is in Emory’s campus and the CDC owns/operates it, of course.
Wherever it is.
Irresponsible hubris to bring this here.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. On one hand: No better place to study it. On the other hand: No worse place to study it.
There’s no reason they can’t transport an adequate field clinic to Africa to study this disease.
It’s not like we haven’t done so with military endeavors.
If it gets loose and infects wild pigs (because there aren’t any of those in the SE, are there...?) we’re screwed. It will circulate to/from them to humans indefinitely.
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
summary:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112
Uh oh.
Muslims were right, after all.
Interestingly enough, so were Jews.
And, I bet if you did an overlay map of where outbreaks of ebola start and the relative Christan/Muslim populations of those areas I’d bet you’d find that initial outbreaks do NOT occur in Muslim areas.
If it breaks containment in Atlanta it’ll forever be known as the Obola outbreak.
http://learn.flvs.net/educator/common/EnglishIIv10/TheHotZone.pdf
Read that and tell me you have faith that they would appropriately handle any outbreak from Emory.
My only question is how far, and how many people would be infected/dead, before they admitted they’d had a lapse.
Given the truthfulness of every other government agency I don’t have warm fuzzies about that.
or not
Personally I’d rather die of old age than via the hubris of some unelected egotistical official in Atlanta.
But that’s just me.
We are all gonna die. But hemorrhagic fever is not the way I would choose to go. Particularly with the medical system in chaos and no one to administer morphine to relieve the pain.....
H9N# flu viruses, yes.
Not this version of Ebola, though.
But I do understand the draw of worry. Have fun with it! :)
Thats where you and I are different. I guess we are less worried about the familiar. Treated a lot of folks on vents with the H1N1 and understand there is worse out there.... But it is a known quantity to me. I understand how to treat it and can usually get even the sickest a fighting chance (prone on a vent for a month, but we have had people survive that).
Ebola is a great unknown for most of us, the closest thing I have treated is TTP and some other nasties, but they are not contagious.... And I’m not an alarmist. Treat tons of HIV even before it was called HIV, dont get all worked up about TB as long as precautions taken, and work with nasty MDROs all the time.....
I was just telling my daughter if this goes the way it is looking we may have our similar stories to the Spanish flu outbreak early last century...
Did you read the bit about e. zaire being aerosol born?
Like from sneezes?
And that it can survive on polished surfaces (like most of our public transit system) for up to 5 days? Perhaps longer?
Journal Nature is hardly ‘joe’s conspiracy site’.
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
” In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. “
Transmission withOUT direct contact.
I realize you’re just a computer guy, but lookie at the graph towards the bottom of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_outbreak
numbers of infection vs. date
You’ll note that there appear to be no or few ‘new’ infections in late april/early may. But after that the curve appears to be going exponential.
Guess what happens in West Africa in late April/early May?
Rainy season.
Guess what else happens then...
Mosquito season.
Because there aren’t any mosquitos in the SE. Especially not in the summer.
Look. I’m a very skilled computer developer. Based on my high level of authority in this field, I am here to assure you there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Well, Mom MD and I work(ed) in peripheral fields to this whole pandemic thing. We ARE worried. Not just because the response from our medical establishment has been to downplay any dangers.
This is like nuclear weapons. It only takes one mistake...
Didn’t SARS already kill us all?
Amazingly enough the CDC was the very one hyping the danger from SARS.
That this disease has much greater transmissibility and mortality and they’re downplaying its danger is ...interesting...
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