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Kurds seize two oil fields, pull out of Iraqi government
AFP, BBC, NPR, New York Times via Hotair ^ | 07/11/2014 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/11/2014 11:21:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

If Nouri al-Maliki wanted to dissolve the Iraqi union purposefully, he could hardly be doing a better job. While Kurds fight ISIS in the north — and more effectively than Maliki’s politically purged army has — Maliki accused them of being in league with the extremists even as Kurds mull over whether to just go on their own. Now they want Maliki out, or they’ll be leaving for good:

Iraq’s Kurds said Thursday Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was “hysterical” and not fit to run the country, further dimming the prospect of a new leadership uniting to face jihadist fighters.

The worsening political discord comes three days ahead of a planned parliamentary session meant to revive the process of replacing what has effectively been a caretaker government since April elections.

Maliki “has become hysterical and has lost his balance”, a statement from the office of Kurdish regional president Massud Barzani said, reacting to accusations by the prime minister a day earlier that his administration was harbouring militants.

The Kurdish delegation in Iraq’s parliament has walked out, as have Kurdish ministers in Maliki’s government. That prompted Maliki to retaliate, albeit impotently:

A dispute between Iraq’s Shiite-led central government and the semi-autonomous Kurdish region is boiling over, as Kurdish ministers withdrew from all cabinet meetings. In response, Baghdad is reportedly halting some cargo flights between Kurdish cities.

The spat is playing out under the threat of the extremist Sunni group the Islamist State, which has taken over cities and territories in northern and western Iraq. …

The Kurdish part of Iraq is becoming ever more remote from the government in Baghdad. On Wednesday, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki accused Kurds of sheltering terrorists and Saddam Hussein loyalists. In response, a Kurdish politician, Roz Nouri Shawesm, called Maliki hysterical and said he must step down.

“Kurdish ministers will no longer attend cabinet meetings. Kurdish fighters have taken advantage of the chaos engulfing Iraq to seize territory to which they have long laid claim, including the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.

For one, Kurds have their own independent lines of communication when it comes to air travel and cargo. They’ve been handling that themselves since the 1991 war, which gave them long-awaited autonomy from Saddam Hussein after decades of genocide and oppression. They can get their own supplies, and with their suddenly improved relations with Turkey, may have more robust options than Baghdad does on trade.

Plus, the Kurds have their own oil revenue — and they’ve added a couple of new fields to that stock today:

Iraqi Kurds have taken over two oil fields amid a growing dispute with the government in Baghdad, Iraqi and Kurdish sources say.

Kurdish peshmerga forces seized control of production facilities at the Bai Hassan and Kirkuk oil fields in the north of the country on Friday.

Maliki’s government demanded that the Peshmerga return the fields to Iraqi control, but the Kurds say Baghdad was about to “sabotage” the facilities:

In a statement on Friday, the Iraqi oil ministry condemned the seizure of oil refineries, adding that they expected Kurdish fighters to “support security forces in confronting terrorist groups rather than using the conditions to raid and occupy oil fields”.

Reuters news agency said a senior source within the Kurdistan Regional Government had confirmed the takeover.

The unnamed source said they had been “forced to act to protect Iraq’s infrastructure after learning of attempts by Iraq oil ministry officials to sabotage it”.

Global Post‘s Jean MacKenzie, writing at The Week, advises that the world should just let Iraq partition itself:

While the Iraqi army is much larger and better-equipped than ISIS and its affiliates, it has had limited success in dislodging the insurgents from other areas it has seized. Fallujah and Ramadi have been under ISIS control since January.

Steven Simon, a senior fellow at The Middle East Institute in Washington, DC, agrees that it may be too much to hope that ISIS can be defeated.

“ISIS is deeply rooted in western Iraq,” he said. “They also have safe havens on the other side of the rather blurred border [with Syria].”

The Kurds in the north, who have seized territory and become all but independent over the past two weeks, will not give up their gains, Mendelsohn insisted, and putting the country back together may be nearly impossible.

“We are looking at de facto partition,” said Mendelsohn.

Maliki had a chance to keep this from happening after the 2007 surge, and the US its chance to stick around and apply pressure to push Maliki in that direction. Those chances are gone now, and not even a US intervention in force is likely to revive them. Maliki’s actions in this crisis show that he has no interest in unity under a federalist, shared-power system, and as long as Maliki’s in charge the Kurds and the Sunnis will have no incentive to stick around. Get ready for the sectarian bloodbath to come, and the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bloodforoil; iran; iraq; kurdistan; kurds; russia; syria; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 07/11/2014 11:21:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A partition is the only way to solve this. The Kurds do not need the sunnis and shites.


2 posted on 07/11/2014 11:26:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kurds are the only worthy people in Iraq, aside from the Christians. Not only are the hard fighters with a passion for liberty, they are also amazingly pro-American. The only place our soldiers could walk around without body armor, and even weapons, and go out for a meal at a local restaurant, was with the Kurds, and every Kurd I have heard of over there have always thanked us.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 11:31:44 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.”

An independent Kurdistan... now THERE’S the horse to back... IF the US is smart enough to do it... But I am not optimistic!


4 posted on 07/11/2014 11:45:21 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Not only are the hard fighters with a passion for liberty, they are also amazingly pro-American.

Then I'm sure obammy will them brought down.

5 posted on 07/11/2014 11:47:33 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: Sacajaweau
A partition is the only way to solve this

It seems that the Kurds got it right. My question would be Turkey. It seems that Turkey is okay for now with a stable Kurdistan on their border keeping the ISIS maniacs out. But what happens when the Kurds in Turkey want to leave and join Kurdistan?

I've been trying to learn the history I never learned well enough in college. Could it be that the way out of this mess is a very thorough realignment of the borders that were so badly messed up after WW1?

6 posted on 07/11/2014 11:57:14 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind

If I understand correctly, Al-Maliki is Obama’s hand-picked dude; even being in there without the approval of the Iraqi “Parliament.”

If so, the Kurds have a good point asking for an PM that is approved of by the representatives.


7 posted on 07/11/2014 12:04:36 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: SeekAndFind

A US Army officer said some years back that the best choice for Iraq would be to let the Kurds run the show.


8 posted on 07/11/2014 12:11:16 PM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

Are they still tied to communism?


9 posted on 07/11/2014 12:15:01 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

There is a large Kurdish population around Nashville and they are the only Muslims I trust.


10 posted on 07/11/2014 12:17:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Even though we left them swinging in the wind. Twice now? Clinton and Obama


11 posted on 07/11/2014 12:20:09 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The Great Saladin of Crusades fame was a Kurd, they are his people. Their section of Iraq was the easiest assignment, so easy that US Army assigned a Nation Guard division to occupy the area.


12 posted on 07/11/2014 12:20:22 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

They’ll need an air force if they’re going to stay free.


13 posted on 07/11/2014 12:21:05 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: grania
I've been trying to learn the history I never learned well enough in college. Could it be that the way out of this mess is a very thorough realignment of the borders that were so badly messed up after WW1?

Realigning borders is always messy. Further study of the area shows that the place has been conquered and reconquered time and again in recorded history. It is such a mess that borders cannot and will not solve the myriad of problems there.

Once solution is to let them fight it out and the last man standing gets the dubious prize. And before he sits down to dinner, someone else will be challenging him for the prize.

14 posted on 07/11/2014 12:31:49 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Sacajaweau

The 3 way partition of Iraq looks great on paper to Westerners who see Kurds in the North, Sunnis in the middle, and Shi’ites in the South+Baghdad.

What could go wrong?!

...but that’s the worst of all worlds because that removes the incentive for the Kurds and Shi’ites to police the Sunnis in the middle...Sunnis who have no oil in the middle. Iraq’s oil is in the North and South.

Leaving the middle to the Sunnis creates a defacto Sunni caliphate. Terror central. With no oil.

What do you think the Sunnis are going to do...left alone from the influence of Baghdad?!

Poof!

You just created ISIL’s dream state. Congrats! World terror just doubled because a 3 way partition looked good to stupid Westerners on paper.


15 posted on 07/11/2014 12:38:38 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: SeekAndFind

For years I have had a lot of sympathy for the Kurds, at least in general. The Kurdish part of Iraq has apparently flourished in the last few decades.

At this point I almost feel like emulating the Kurds. After all we have a president who is “has become hysterical and has lost his balance.”


16 posted on 07/11/2014 12:49:16 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: SeekAndFind

Let the Kurds have the oil fields and refinery rather than ISIS. They fight ISIS.

The southern Iraqi oilfields are too close to Kuwait and Saudi and I doubt that the US and Iran will allow ISIS to get a hold of them.


17 posted on 07/11/2014 12:54:24 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 1010RD

Is Islam better than communism?


18 posted on 07/11/2014 12:59:34 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SMARTY

Turkey (our NATO ally) and Iran will not allow an independent Kurdistan, nor give up territory to its nationalists, both have fought with Kurd groups for years and deem them “terrorists”

Kurdish self-determination as part of a loose “Iraq” federation - tolerated perhaps

independent nation - not


19 posted on 07/11/2014 1:04:00 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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20 posted on 07/11/2014 1:04:11 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 353FMG

better comparison is to fascism


21 posted on 07/11/2014 1:05:15 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

Right... and push come to shove... Turkey ain’t NOBODY’S ally!

I don’t think they can be trusted one bit.


22 posted on 07/11/2014 1:07:29 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Parmy

That’s what we should have done originally, but Bush pretended that Iraq was a country.


23 posted on 07/11/2014 1:09:01 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 353FMG

If they implement it correctly, both are deadly.


24 posted on 07/11/2014 1:10:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kurdistan is what we should have had all along. The only downside to that is that the Kurds are Moslems and will behave as Moslems once their border with Iraq is secure and they don’t feel they need the USA anymore. That may happen soon enough. The Moslem American President has no use for a force in the middle east that stands against the Caliphate.


25 posted on 07/11/2014 6:57:24 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: grania

A realignment at the expense of Turkiye will never fly. Turkey really is the big dog in the neighborhood and will not be broken up by its neighbors or by the Obamic USA.


26 posted on 07/11/2014 6:59:28 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: 1010RD

SOME Kurds are Communist. The Iraq-Kurdistan folks have been trying to keep a lik on the red Kurds because Kurdistan needs the friendship of the Turks and doesn’t need the destabilization the Communists promise.


27 posted on 07/11/2014 7:01:53 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: 353FMG

No.


28 posted on 07/11/2014 7:05:49 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: silverleaf

It may happen but it will be done only after a formal deal is struck between the Kurds and the Turks with no input from the US or Russia.


29 posted on 07/11/2014 7:08:05 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’ve heard similar stores from people I know who served and expireiced it themselves. Amazing difference.


30 posted on 07/13/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Excellent! Your comments about our Kurdish allies needs repeating, and here it is again.

The Kurds are the only worthy people in Iraq, aside from the Christians. Not only are they hard fighters with a passion for liberty. They are also amazingly pro-American. The only place our soldiers could walk around without body armor, and even weapons, and go out for a meal at a local restaurant, was with the Kurds. Every Kurd I have heard of over there have always thanked us.

31 posted on 07/13/2014 4:22:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Storm of Illegal immigrants, = new democrat voters and His Katrina Moment!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


32 posted on 07/13/2014 4:27:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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another Obama success story...


33 posted on 07/13/2014 4:44:11 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I have not been there but my buddies still in the Army say the same thing. The Kurds had Islam forced on them many generations ago. If they get their autonomy, they might just throw off Islam as well.


34 posted on 07/13/2014 5:03:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: 1010RD

Our Air Force is trying to get rid of the A-10. Maybe we can send a few over to the Kurds.


35 posted on 07/13/2014 5:05:10 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Sacajaweau

I agree, the Kurds never needed either of them and have instead been left to do much of the work carring for both as the Kurds are the only one with their act together.

As for a partition of Iraq into 3 different country’s I would support and recognize an Independence Kurdistan. But this Islamic state must be dealt with or it will become a major threat.

As it is with Obama hanging around our necks I don’t see how we can do anything either way. We are effectively crippled as with Obama we couldn’t even win a war against Cuba. We have no choice but to let it play out and pray the Europeans, Russians, and strangely enough Iranians can see to it that ISIS doesn’t become an unmanageable terrorist state.

Who would have thought that things would get so bad that we would have to hope upon Iranian anti-terror interest...


36 posted on 07/13/2014 5:11:16 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kurds have been going it alone for years. They might as well keep going. I would recognize them and establish formal relations with them as an ally.

Captain Midnight can’t think that fast though.


37 posted on 07/13/2014 5:51:24 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Southack

No, you then cordon it off. And if needed, carpet bomb them all in one already blasted/worthless landscape.

Win/win.


38 posted on 07/13/2014 7:00:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for the Kurds. I wonder if this is the start of the revived Babylonian Empire Revelation talks about.

“Kurdish ministers will no longer attend cabinet meetings.” Conservatives should do this too.


39 posted on 07/13/2014 7:04:43 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for the Kurds. I wonder if this is the start of the revived Babylonian Empire Revelation talks about.

“Kurdish ministers will no longer attend cabinet meetings.” Conservatives should do this too.


40 posted on 07/13/2014 7:04:46 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 1010RD

That was the PKK, a Kurdish Workers Party in Southeastern Turkey.


41 posted on 07/13/2014 9:17:31 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: 353FMG

~Is Islam better than communism?~

I don’t want to look like a communist sympathizer but yes, communism is better than islam.

Both are as much a failure in short to mid-term but unlike islam, communism tends to republican form of government and also communists thinks high about education which is not the case for islam.

Both features are also a primary reasons why communism cannot exist in a long run, because being applied to a primitive society, it produces a number of smart people who tends to see bullcrap behind the rest of a communist ideology. And said societies already have executive, legal and civil judicial system largely similar in form to the free world. All communist societies are republics, there are no socialist kingdoms or theocracies, so all they need is to fix rules.
I short, to transform a communist society into a free republic, given you have enough open-minded people, you need free elections to make your Soviet into Parliament and break a one-party rule and to make courts independent from an executive branch.
It is not if it is that easy but the road to freedom is much shorter for post-communists than for typical 7-th century feudal theocracy, which is an average muslim society is.


42 posted on 07/13/2014 10:04:34 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: SeekAndFind
...”The Kurdish delegation in Iraq’s parliament has walked out, as have Kurdish ministers in Maliki’s government”....

Happy to see that....but no surprise. It was simply a matter of acquiring the oil fields... and as important buyers. Kurds are known to be a fair people overall so in business they'll be well received...at least as long as they can control their areas. Not sure Turkey will go along with that indefinitely....they could throw an iron in that pot at any time.

43 posted on 07/14/2014 1:08:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: Bringbackthedraft

...”The Great Saladin of Crusades fame was a Kurd”....

Oh that’s very interesting! I didn’t know that, though I understand some of his history regarding the Crusades ,,,so that’s very interesting indeed.


44 posted on 07/14/2014 1:13:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

Kurdish Iraq...

Sunni Iraq...

Sucky Iraq...

They all need their little private parts...[pun intended]


45 posted on 07/14/2014 5:25:38 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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To: Southack

The amount of “terror” as you put it cannot possibly “double”???

It can be better defined...Located, dealt with...

Do you thinking that Iraq, as it once was, is salvageable as a country, or sovereign nation, in the world???

Just curious...


46 posted on 07/14/2014 5:29:23 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Central Iraq then needs to be a Kurdish Protectorate.


47 posted on 07/14/2014 5:41:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sacajaweau
"The Kurds do not need the sunnis and shites."

The 46" pipelines from Kirkuk to Turkey runs through Sunni/ISIS territory. IOW, until a new pipeline is created the Kurds need agreements with Sunnis to move their oil.


48 posted on 07/14/2014 6:05:05 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Southack
The Sunni/ISIS areas have oil fields.

And these are just the official fields. I've traveled in Babil province, in the central part of the country where no oilfields supposedly are and oil bubbles from the ground and pollutes fields.

I've long said the country is awash in oil. All that the 3 defacto Iraqi states need to do is come to agreement on oil export routes and refinery product access. Then they can all get rich and have cheap petroleum products for their people. We'll see if they can get along for such a clear advantage.

49 posted on 07/14/2014 6:18:46 AM PDT by Justa
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To: taxcontrol
Maybe we should just stop arming anyone. The Kurds now have oil revenue, they have an intelligent and determined population, and they know who their enemies are.

We wouldn't have ISIS if the US didn't decide that Assad had to go. Now the only intelligent thing to do would be to support Assad and try to contain ISIS.

50 posted on 07/14/2014 6:23:00 AM PDT by grania
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