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Federal judge orders IRS to explain lost Lerner emails ‘under oath’
Fox ^ | Thurs, July 10, 2014 | Jake Gibson and Peter Doocy and The Associated Press

Posted on 07/10/2014 3:32:51 PM PDT by upchuck

A federal judge has ordered the IRS to explain "under oath" how the agency lost a trove of emails from the official at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency 30 days to file a declaration by an "appropriate official" to address the computer issues with ex-official Lois Lerner.

The decision came Thursday as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, which along with GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill has questioned how the IRS lost the emails and, in some cases, had no apparent way to retrieve them.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs; lerner; loislerner
AP story. Gotta keep it short.
1 posted on 07/10/2014 3:32:51 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

WooHoo! Finally a Court Order!


2 posted on 07/10/2014 3:36:44 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: upchuck
It would be nice if the geek the IRS hired to get rid of those emails would pop up...like on Perry Mason....

I did it...I did it...It was me...not Lois. She's an idiot!!

3 posted on 07/10/2014 3:37:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: upchuck

Why do these judges etc., always give these criminals such a long time to come up with their excuses. Why not 48 hours or next week?


4 posted on 07/10/2014 3:37:31 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: upchuck
I read it elsewhere. I certainly hope that the judge keeps pushing until conflicting sworn testimony starts coming out between what Congress has been told and what they are telling the judge.

I also like idea of getting a judicial expert to look into finding alternate sources of the emails. I suspect that IRS servers, other peoples computers (like in the White house and DNC) along with the NSA could do wonders to come up with real information that IRS and DOJ are corrupt and doing the Big Zero's bidding.

5 posted on 07/10/2014 3:38:13 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: upchuck

So then he said "and it's gotta be under oath"/

6 posted on 07/10/2014 3:40:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: upchuck

He should make them swear on the Koran just to be sure.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 3:43:57 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

LOL!


8 posted on 07/10/2014 3:48:21 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

I’m impressed that a federal judge is doing this.


9 posted on 07/10/2014 3:50:00 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: Texas resident

Will the IRS appeal the judge’s ruling?..That will be telling.


10 posted on 07/10/2014 3:56:14 PM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: upchuck

Will they claim executive privilege like the DOJ did in Fast and Furious.


11 posted on 07/10/2014 4:00:07 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Same old crap,sorry judge there is an ongoing investigation


12 posted on 07/10/2014 4:18:45 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: upchuck

“Under oath”.. Judge Sullivan KNOWS Team Obama LIES A LOT.


13 posted on 07/10/2014 4:21:13 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: upchuck
Idon't know what it means to order the IRS to explain.

Who is the IRS?

Who will "explain?"

Who will be under oath?

14 posted on 07/10/2014 4:27:15 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: eCSMaster
Who will be under oath?

Who? I'll tell you who. Some know-nothing stooge that they know, knows nothing. That's who.

I'm not so sure that that will pass muster with this judge though.

15 posted on 07/10/2014 5:22:16 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: upchuck

Next question: Who does the IRS get to commit perjury?


16 posted on 07/10/2014 5:43:41 PM PDT by BAW (Remind me what Richard Nixon did that was so bad he had to resign as president.)
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To: upchuck
I think what happened is they deleted the local records of their internal IRS instant messages, then everyone who was party to those conversations had "hard drive failures" because Lerner asked about them being recovered and electronically searched by Congressional investigators.

At that point the hard drives were removed and physically destroyed. I would think that when the computers were set up with the new drives, the users' systems were restored from a backup, so even if these messages were deleted there would be a record of them somewhere.

17 posted on 07/10/2014 6:31:41 PM PDT by Squeako (The radicals are the wolves. The moderates are the wolves in sheep's clothing.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
>He should make them swear on the Koran just to be sure.

What's the point? It commands them to lie to us.

18 posted on 07/11/2014 11:54:32 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

OK, so she goes under oath and lies, and no one else counters her lies.

Back to square one.


19 posted on 07/11/2014 11:55:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ballplayer
"Same old crap, sorry judge there is an ongoing investigation"

Not quite. Congress cannot disbar Eric Holder. A judge can.

20 posted on 07/11/2014 2:20:38 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: upchuck

When will someone ask the question:

Is the IRS a part of the Federal Government or an entity of it’s own.

Of course NOBODY will ask THAT question.


21 posted on 07/11/2014 7:19:15 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Robert357

I can say this...having worked around government operations...that once someone says the boss has to give testimony under oath...things get awful messy. The boss will have several lawyers standing in a room as he questions his junior executives, and he might require them to sign statements as they answer his questions. At that point, the junior guys call their lawyers, and question-and-answer sessions with the boss suddenly get stagnant. No one will sign any statement....no one will vouch for anything....and the whole system falls apart within two or three weeks.

I can also vouch for this. Almost all of the chiefs of various government agencies....have zero knowledge or understanding of their networks, IT strategies, their back-up plan, or how email works. This is one of the reasons why they all spend four-hundred percent of the necessary budget on their network/IT requirements. It’s why they have $150k a year IT engineers in their back-up department, when a $50k a year junior engineer would be sufficient.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 12:43:17 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Yep, I can hear/see/read it now:

Judge: Please explain
IRS: My dog ate my e-mail paper back-ups
Judge: OK, dismissed.

Color me unimpressed until somebody is hauled off to jail for violating the “Law” (note the quotes...the Law is only for the serfs)


23 posted on 07/12/2014 8:30:19 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: pepsionice

I can say this...having worked around government operations...

I can also add that when it comes to government computers or IT systems there is always a paper trail, especially if it involves destroying government hard drives. Someone had to sign off and give the ok to have it destroyed. did they follow all established procedures? If not why?


24 posted on 07/12/2014 6:08:44 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Squeako

so even if these messages were deleted there would be a record of them somewhere.........

They had tape backup, which was written over after 6 months. But if her other files were recovered for her new computer, why weren’t her emails. Emails are just too essential to government work to just be eliminated. They are a paper trail and time stamp for a person like Lerner, who would need those emails to keep track of on going IRS business. No one would have their data recovered and not their emails, that makes no sense.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 6:13:35 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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