Skip to comments.Russia puts forces in central part of the country on combat alert
Posted on 06/21/2014 5:23:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
MOSCOW Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday ordered military forces in central Russia on combat alert as well as a drill of airborne troops, a day after Ukraine ordered a cease-fire with pro-Russian rebels.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko ordered his forces to cease fire Friday and halt military operations for a week, the first step in a peace plan he hopes will end the fighting that has killed hundreds. The Kremlin dismissed the plan, saying it sounded like an ultimatum and lacked any firm offer to open talks with insurgents.
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There was some news I neglected to post, and news I was surprised was never reported on Fox News or anywhere else. Russia started its invasion yesterday using unmarked tanks and other weaponry used by the Ukrainian military, probably to claim that the Separatists captured them. There are also Russian soldiers, apparently on the border, dressed up in Ukrainian uniforms now.
Well, I say “invasion.” It was maybe a show of force not really seen before.
“We have some more information on the tanks sighted in Alchevsk which we reported earlier, and for which @djp3tros has provided what we consider a convincing geolocation.
YouTube user Novo Ukraina has uploaded the same video today reporting a Russian military convoy in Alchevsk in Lugansk Region, Ukraine, heading toward Perevalsk and Slavyansk.
The convoy had numerous vehicles, and at least 20 tanks, 5 BTRs and 11 trucks. The viewer also spotted anti-aircraft weapons chained to one vehicle. On one of the BTRs, the insignia of the “Almighty Troops of the Don” were seen, a registered Cossack organization.”
From another post on the thread for that day:
“Russian Media Hint at ‘Humanitarian’ Pretext for Wider Invasion
The Russian, pro-Kremlin, news site Pravda.ru has published an article, citing a supposed “source in the Ministry of Defence”, that hints strongly at a possible Russian pretext for invading Ukraine. The source says that not only have forces returned (as we have clearly seen) but that plans exist to cross the border and establish a “humanitarian corridor” in the Donbass.
Russian tanks indeed appear to have already crossed the border, albeit unmarked. The article also describes a visit by Sergei Ivanov, the head of the Presidential Administration, to Rostov where he described the situation in Ukraine as “genocide”. While today’s deployment of unmarked forces may serve to provide some sort of provocation or advanced spearhead to establish control, there are clear signs that the Russian government is considering an open invasion under the guise of humanitarian intervention. Such apparent government leaks in the Russian media are often employed by the Kremlin to give heed to their plans.”
These developments are extremely worrying. We should note that we have never before seen such an enormous show of force from separatist fighters, and that these unmarked T-64s do not match the appearance of Ukrainian ones we have seen, such as one shown in a recent video.
Following the appearance of three similarly unmarked T-64BVs last week, NATO issued a report in which they said that the vehicles had most likely come out Russian reserve storage and crossed the border.
With video emerging that appears to show a large quantity of Russian heavy armour being ferried by rail close to the border at Millerovo (notably close to Lugansk) yesterday, it appears that an outright invasion by Russia may already be beginning.”
Much much more at link:
I was waiting all day for Fox or anyone to mention it, but was surprised at the silence.
“So why is it his forces in central Russia?”
Russia claims it is a drill. Such a drill may be used as cover for the mobilization and eventual redeployment of the airborne and other troops to the Western Military District and the Southern military District bordering the Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Georgia.
Yes, there have been scattered reports the past few days of Russian military forces donning Ukrainian uniforms and equipment to conduct false flag operations in the Ukraine and in Russia the way Hitler did at Gleiwitz with Poland.
UMCRevMom has one such report: Ukraine military infiltrated by Russian
Unfortunately, the MSM have not, as you noted, provided us with any reports we could quote.
Because that is where Ukraine is? It doesn’t always make sense. Our “Central Command” is in charge of Central Asia, but is in West a Florida on our East Coast.
It boggles the mind to make sense of this stuff.
I tend to believe your assertion. I really think Putin is trying rebuild the Soviet Union. Thank you Obambi and Hillary for their appeasement and childish "reset button".
Aside from Obambi being the first half-black president, his main legacy will be his weak foreign policy that encouraged Islamist war in the ME and Russia's new imperialism.
IMHO, if a Republican wants to win the Oval Office, he/she should make the point that the world has become a more dangerous place due to Obambi/Hillary policies. Even the LIV would listen up if the message was strong and made them worry about their own lives and/or how such coming conflicts/attacks would risk their EBT cards.
The western leftists & isolationists want to give Putin title to the former SU countries but Putin has no intention of stopping there. The Putinists have this nutty Eurasia thing going also:
"Since 2000, Dugin has moved to the center of political power close to the Putin administration by a deliberate strategy of veiling his mystic-esoteric ideology
This is the same Dugin who was photographed meeting with former American Ku Klux Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke in Russia. Duke argues, like many Russian nationalists, that communism was imposed on Russia by a Jewish banker conspiracy.
Robert Zubrin, the author of several articles about Dugin, points out the similarities between the National Socialism of Hitler and Dugins original National Bolshevism. He says Dugin gave up on the idea of his own political party so he could become an adviser to Putins United Russia Party. For a time, he worked with the Russian Communist Party, the second largest political party in the country next to Putins United Russia.
As part of this transformation, Zubrin says, Putin himself became a spokesman for tradition and morality, even though the Russian government runs the biggest organized human trafficking operation in the world, kidnapping Russian girls and selling them around the world as prostitutes. Nobody should be fooled by Putins claim of being a defender of conservative morality, Zubrin says.
Theres far more depravity in Russia, including homosexual depravity, than there is here, he says. In the Russian army, boyish recruits are subject to homosexual rape by officers as a form of hazing, and the regime protects this.
Equally troubling, there are reports that Dugins vision of a resurgent Russia is built in part on the ideas of Aleister Crowley (1875-1947), a Satanist who described himself as the Beast 666, or Antichrist, of the Book of Revelation. It [is] worth mentioning that in early 90s the National Bolsheviks and their main ideologist Aleksandr Dugin tried to bring Aleister Crowleys ideas to wide popular masses in Russia with enviable persistence, one observer of the Russian political scene noted."
More at link: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/modern-day-russian-dupes/
“Because that is where Ukraine is? It doesnt always make sense.”
Your fake hyperventilating for purposes of pro-Putin propaganda is just sheer nonsense. Putin’s putting the Central Military District on combat alert is strictly according to common doctrine. Doing so provides Putin with the flexibility to choose from a number of alternative plans of action.
At the very least, Putin’s combat alert serves to increase concern and alarm among any of the states which Putin may target for Russian offensive operations. This Russian intimidation is used to threaten the Ukraine and anyone who would support the Ukraine.
In the event Putin should currently or later choose to introduce Russian military forces into an overt invasion of the Ukraine or other states, he needs to shakedown the maneuver and logistical units who may sooner or later serve as the strategic second echelon of forces being introduced into the Western theater of operations. A combat alert and exercise does so while providing the added benefit of coercion.
In the event that a full military operation or campaign is undertaken along the fronts of the Western and/or Southern military Districts, the military forces of the Central Military District will be required to reinforce those fronts as the second echelon of forces in any offensive and/or defensive operations. Redeployment from the Central Military District to assembly areas in the Western Military District and/or Southern Military district must be accomplished in the next number of weeks before the advantageous Summer military campaigning weather and road conditions in the Ukraine and elsewhere along the western fronts are ended by the bad weather of the Fall and Winter months.
Next up, China. Watch for them to claim more territory in east and southeast Asia. Although, I doubt they would attack us directly since they hold so much of our debt. But then, think proxies.
I'm 64 and say I have another 10 years of life, bet I see WWIII. It will because of America's weakness, and we know who is responsible for that. That's the one part of the Libertarian platform I've never agreed with - isolationism. America was the safety valve after WWII, but no longer projects the strength nor will it had then. The results of that are now building around the World.
Not so sure weather is that much of a factor. Russia is the original cold weather attack dog. Putin will move when he thinks the political weather is in his favor, IMO. The USA and NATO (neutered organization) will huff and puff and do nothing of substance. The UN will...well, do what the UN does. Cry.
10 Combat Vehicles BM-21 Grad, T-64 Tanks and BTR Armored Personnel Carriers
Entered Ukraine from Russian Territory - Ministry of Defense
Weather may or may not be nearly as much of a limiting factor as it was in the Second World War in Eastern Europe, but it does remain a less advantageous factor for a military campaign when it is not the prime Summer military campaigning season.
Putin also has to deal with the fact Russia has generally exhausted the supply of military age conscripts due to declining demographics. Consequently, he needs to keep the troop commitments modest and the casualties minimal. Adverse weather conditions quickly melt away divisions and brigades very quickly in day to day filed operations, especially in the absence of a troop replacement system. Putin needs to accomplish his aggressions with prolonged low intensity conflict and/or a very short and economical high intensity combat operation with minimal casualties. Adverse weather greatly increases the risks of prolonging a high intensity combat operation and incurring politically troublesome casualties in the process.
Thanks. It is to be expected Russian forces masquerading as Ukrainian military forces will conduct a false flag attack upon Russian civilian targets along the Russian-Ukrainian border to claim a right for military intervention by the Russian armed forces.
I also have read reports of the same.
Also read of another incursion into US airspace off the coast of California by Russian bombers conducting “practice runs.”
There’s a lot going on in the world and there is a lot we’re not being told.
Just a cautionary note to consider ISIS is from Syria. Russian supports Assad/Syria and Iran.
There’s a lot of dance-cards out there gentlemen and I am not sure which lady is holding them all?
Hmmm...and again today?
Russian bombers fly near California
I have hears June 22 has been the alleged invasion target date for a couple of weeks... people are hoping it is not so.
“If we want to be isolationistsand I dothen this is all a spectator sport.”
Which is why you deserve no respect for such a viewpoint and attitude.\
And you seem to want to start WWIII over two parts of Ukraine that don’t want to be. If they want to become Russian let them. We got enough problems trying to be the world’s policeman.
And you blind belief that every bit of news coming from the opposing side is simply propaganda and not worthy of reporting disqualifies your viewpoint.
The isolationists and the pacifists, and I’ll add the liberals, are even more dangerous to us than our enemies. They rot us out from the inside and have us sit as “spectators” as our enemies prepare against us.
The "two parts" nonsense I have refuted against you many times. You have seen the electoral map. You are aware of all the polling. Instead of reading your "Zionist" conspiracy websites and Russian media, how about you read what has been shown to you? The separatists do not enjoy popular support even in the East. That is why more than half of the separatists being killed, and perhaps the majority, are Russian citizens or Chechens imported from other parts of Russia.
“The results of that are now building around the World.”
I’m a Vet and 10 years younger than you, but I can say with 100% confidence that You Are Correct, Sir.
We. Are. Screwed.
The Russians even tell us themselves that journalism is not separate from "propaganda," and tell us it is a political and military weapon which they use rather enthusiastically against us. They have said this publicly. Anyone who trusts anything from state-controlled Russian media is simply either a fool or uninformed.
Putin is putting on a drill that can be made hot very easily. He is doing this because he knows he can get away with it.
Here we go.
Who are they invading this time?
And the fact that we have been provoking Moscow means nothing to you. Is it not obvious that OUR government is trying to start a large scale war? They are not even being coy about it.
I am 53 and my whole life our country has been at war somewhere—save for a few years here and there. I am sick of it. Let Europe deal with Putin. He cannot come sweeping through the Fulda Gap any more. It is not our issue.
Provoking Moscow? Please. Russia simply trots out that excuse every few years when it feels the need to invade and occupy some small country.
From the Kremlin's standpoint, everybody they murder is "provoking" them. For example, all the journalists beaten in subways or murdered in Russia "provoked" the Kremlin by practicing journalism. Similarly, the U.S. provokes Russia by not dismantling NATO, even while the Russians have been modernizing their nukes and military forces for years.
So there is not an ounce of truth to our interest in expanding NATO into Ukraine. There is no truth to the statements that the US supported the violent overthrow of an independent an elected government in Ukraine.
I accept that Putin is a bad guy. But the US has pretty dirty hands here. I would be more interested in the blind anti Putin propaganda if we did not stink up the room. There doesn’t seem to be a place in the world these days where we leave well enough alone.
"He electrified large meetings. He had faithdont you see?he had the faith. He could get himself to believe anythinganything. He would have been a splendid leader of an extreme party. What party? I asked. Any party, answered the other. He was ananextremist. Did I not think so? I assented."
In this regard, too, Putin is similar. He was a dedicated KGB man and a communist. Now, he's the ultra nationalist. Milsovic did the same thing. They need power. They're right out of Eric Hoffer's book THE TRUE BELIEVER. Their souls are empty, but they want a mass movement they can lead.
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