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Businesses are going everywhere but New York
New York Post ^ | 05/26/2014 | By John Aidan Byrne

Posted on 05/26/2014 6:13:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Just a matter of time until the next Fed bailout of NYC.


51 posted on 05/26/2014 9:20:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cloudmountain

Some of them will bring their families to California.
The ones who will be more successful in the long run are the ones who will take their work experience back to India and run competing businesses in the same product fields from a part of the world with a more rational regulation structure.

Exact parallel for this?

Who did better in the Sixties and Seventies - auto engineers who came to the US and worked with the industry here, or the ones who went back to Asia and worked for Toyota or Mitsubishi or what is today Kia?

Short term it looked like the ones who stayed here. Long and medium term, it was the ones who went back to Asia.


52 posted on 05/26/2014 9:25:27 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: babble-on

I love the taste of schadenfreude in the morning.


53 posted on 05/26/2014 9:28:09 AM PDT by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: LOC1

You raise good points there, but some of those moves began some years ago — and are also tied to changes in corporate operations in the aftermath of the Exxon-Mobil merger.


54 posted on 05/26/2014 9:33:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: SamAdams76

Well, based on the recent election results in the UK, there is hope. Seems like UKIP has upset the apple cart a tad.


55 posted on 05/26/2014 9:39:00 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Alberta's Child

Ah, I see. And even though I said paper insurance cards were ‘backward’, I’m not comforted by all our personal data being in government databases.


56 posted on 05/26/2014 9:55:52 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of the more challenging aspects of living and working in NYC is dodging the little questions meant to reveal one as a fully human being, i.e., a Liberal, or a subhuman cretin, i.e., a Conservative.

Just yesterday, I met a lovely couple with their toddler son. Almost immediately, I was asked if I listened to NPR. Twenty years ago the question was, "Did you see that article in today's Times?" A few months ago it was, "I'm asking people to sponsor me for the (insert leftist charity here) and I'm hoping you'll sign up."

Liberals will not let you live. It is the Fascist Impulse.

57 posted on 05/26/2014 10:01:18 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

“It is the fascist impulse.”
They are the real life body snatchers.


58 posted on 05/26/2014 10:09:02 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: SamAdams76
Paramus, NJ has low property taxes due to all the malls. Ho-Ho-Kus has lower property taxes due to not having a high school to support. Glen Rock is a charming little town with good schools and excellent train service to NY.

There really is no such thing as "affordable" in North Jersey.

59 posted on 05/26/2014 10:11:58 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Alberta's Child
It's more than just taxes.
I've dealt with a number of businesses in light to heavy industries that fled New York State because they say it has the highest workers' compensation insurance rates in the nation -- by a huge margin.
The saga of the GE plant in Hudson Falls and the massive clean-up costs they've been forced to pay is another case in point about why New York is such a miserable place to do business.

You've made your point, in spades.

60 posted on 05/26/2014 10:15:19 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: citizen
They are the real life body snatchers

They don't mean it that way because in their little bubble everyone thinks as they do. They have jettisoned any friends or acquaintances that don't share their views (all of them) and don't accept new ones who don't. The bubble becomes the echo chamber.

I'm sure you, as probably every other conservative on this board, would have no trouble being friends with liberals BUT for their intolerance. I don't think it's us who go around picking fights. I think at most we expect to engage in a thoughtful discussion where we defend our positions and either agree or part as friends. That's not the way for libs. It's total war--like Sherman through Georgia.

61 posted on 05/26/2014 10:21:40 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: MrEdd
Some of them will bring their families to California. The ones who will be more successful in the long run are the ones who will take their work experience back to India and run competing businesses in the same product fields from a part of the world with a more rational regulation structure.

So true.
And, good parallel.

Most VERY important data gets spread around anyway--eventually. That is part of our nature.

62 posted on 05/26/2014 10:21:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
Thanks. Something else to think about is that one of the biggest political issues in New York these days is the pressure that the state government is putting on the Federal government to reject the license renewal for the Indian Point nuclear power plant in the Hudson River valley.

New York is already making plans to make up for the lost power transmission capacity once that plant is shut down. It will involve purchasing more and more power from Hydro-Quebec, and the long-term prognosis is likely to be for higher utility rates.

63 posted on 05/26/2014 10:28:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Salgak

RE: But what’s sad, is that I can understand why they gave up being US Cits. . .

Some reasons are detailed in the articles here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/02/06/americans-renouncing-citizenship-up-221-all-aboard-the-fatca-express/

and here:

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/pf/2014/03/10/expat-taxes-citizenship/


64 posted on 05/26/2014 10:31:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Singapore doesn’t really want more new citizens...unless your net worth is in the 5 million dollar and up range. The rest of the world now sees expat Americans as a bad bet - let them in and the IRS comes with them.


65 posted on 05/26/2014 10:36:07 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: cloudmountain

RE: Cleanliness COSTS and some folks are just too cheap to spend money on what they consider “unnecessary” expenditures.

Look people understand that you must meet sanitary standards when you open restaurant or a food store.

However, This particular case is just one of the countless examples of REGULATION GOING TOO FAR.

Here we have A Health Department inspector bizarrely slapped a Brooklyn bagel shop with $1,650 in fines — because sesame and poppy seeds fell to the floor while the bagels were being made during working hours.

How is he supposed to make seeded bagels without SOME of the tiny goods spilling onto the ground?

It’s not as if he isn’t cleaning up.

What this inspector without common sense apparently wants is for him to clean up after each and every bagel.

To demonstrate, Gormakh, the shop owner placed two poppy and sesame bagels on a table near his $60,000 wood-burning oven, where they are baked “Montreal style” — smaller and chewier than their New York cousins.

“Look,” explained Gormakh, “a few seeds are always going to be dropped when you are dipping the bagel in the seeds. They don’t all stick like glue.”

“Now imagine the seeds from 100 bagels. Any place where bagels are produced will have these problems.”

The inspector argued that sesame seeds on the floor will attract mice. The problem is several inspections found NO MICE in his shop.

Now, Gormakh and his son, Max have invested close to $900,000 in larger stainless steel preparation tables — in hopes of containing seed fallout — and an expensive water-filter vacuum to suck up the seeds from the floor.

Try making a profit off your small business because of this...

Multiply this case hundreds of times in NYC and you begin to understand why businessmen think THRICE before opening a business in the city.


66 posted on 05/26/2014 10:42:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Mr. Jeeves

There you go -— the three letter word that starts the ex-pat ball rolling.


67 posted on 05/26/2014 10:44:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
It's my GUESS that the closure of the bagel shop had more to it than a few seeds on the floor. Shops get inspected regularly. Everyone makes mistakes and inspectors know that.

Fines and closures don't happen because of a few seeds.
THAT is our wunnerful media telling us what they want us to know and ONLY what they want us to know.

I BET that shop had more than that one infraction. You know that. The inspectors have too much on the line to close down ONE little shop for a few seeds.

That just doesn't make any sense.

68 posted on 05/26/2014 10:47:09 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Alberta's Child
Thanks. Something else to think about is that one of the biggest political issues in New York these days is the pressure that the state government is putting on the Federal government to reject the license renewal for the Indian Point nuclear power plant in the Hudson River valley.

New York is already making plans to make up for the lost power transmission capacity once that plant is shut down. It will involve purchasing more and more power from Hydro-Quebec, and the long-term prognosis is likely to be for higher utility rates.

I always have to remember that we in the West are probably the cleanest, healthiest most safety conscious group of humans the world has ever seen.

At least New York is PREPARING for the worst, not just sitting on its proverbial thumbs waiting passively for things to happen a la Henny Penny.

There is a price to pay for that isn't there? WHAT would you folks do there without morning electricity? Oooooeeee, THINK of the hair that wouldn't get blown dried.

Men would wear beards. Women would wear scarves.

At least you have utilities.

Question: Do prices EVER go down on ANYTHING besides year-end sales of cars?
Not that I notice.

69 posted on 05/26/2014 10:53:27 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

RE: It’s my GUESS that the closure of the bagel shop had more to it than a few seeds on the floor.

The bagel shop IS NOT CLOSED. It is still operating, but is barely making money because of regulators being on top of them all the time.


70 posted on 05/26/2014 11:09:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The bagel shop IS NOT CLOSED. It is still operating, but is barely making money because of regulators being on top of them all the time.

I hope it stays open but what I said about regulation and such still holds true. ALL that for a few seeds? Something is not right there.

71 posted on 05/26/2014 6:01:42 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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