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Utah Lawmaker: Bring Back Firing Squad Executions
ABC News ^ | May 17, 2014 | By MICHELLE L. PRICE Associated Press

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:07:08 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

In the wake of a botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, a Utah lawmaker says he believes a firing squad is a more humane form of execution. And he plans to bring back that option for criminals sentenced to death in his state.

Rep. Paul Ray, a Republican from the northern Utah city of Clearfield, plans to introduce his proposal during Utah's next legislative session in January. Lawmakers in Wyoming and Missouri floated similar ideas this year, but both efforts stalled. Ray, however, may succeed. Utah already has a tradition of execution by firing squad, with five police officers using .30-caliber Winchester rifles to execute Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010, the last execution by rifle to be held in the state.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: firingsquad

1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:07:08 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Maybe they should just sign them up for ObamaCare... But, then that would really be considered “inhumane!”
2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:09:33 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Remember, after a lengthy absence of the use of capital punishment, Gary Gilmore was the first executed, and he requested firing squad.

Note also, that Utah is a largely Mormon state. My understanding, accepting clarification from LDS members, is that redemption from sin can come in the shedding of one’s own blood. unlike lethal injection or hanging, firing squad meets the criteria. Hence, it is a preferred method for Mormons, of which Gilmore was one.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:12:05 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Great idea! Just make sure the execution weapons are referred to as “Assault Weapons”, just so leftist’s heads will expload.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:13:35 AM PDT by PROCON (Those who are capable of Tyranny are capable of Deceit to sustain it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A bullet to the heart or head of the convicted murderer is so quick that the the left would be hard put to push the suffering aspect of the murderer and other monsters as the left always does here in America.
The left loves murderers and other haters and knows that the large majority of criminals are potential democrat voters in todays fallen American government obamanation regime.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:13:55 AM PDT by kindred (They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. Salvation by Lord Jesus only!)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Maybe they should just sign them up for ObamaCare... But, then that would really be considered “inhumane!”

I am not so sure. Under Obama care, the odds are, they might die sooner anyway, so it might be humane after all.

6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:17:05 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why not get real political here, let Utah Tea Party militias make up the firing squads!!


7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:19:05 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
firing squad meets the criteria.

That's nice and all, but it's not about what THEY want.

8 posted on 05/17/2014 7:19:14 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Better idea:

Consider all death row inmates military veterans with their health care provided by the VA. The convicted inmates will end up dying before their appeals are up.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 7:22:32 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: kindred

10 posted on 05/17/2014 7:23:31 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Soldiers! Do your duty! Straight to the heart but spare the face. Fire!"

(Murat's last words as he was allowed to give the command for his own execution)

11 posted on 05/17/2014 7:29:13 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Izzy Dunne
That's nice and all, but it's not about what THEY want.

If it reduces friction in the courts, doesn't cause undue hardship, and gets the job done, I'm all for it. I'm also all for the last meal, last cigarette, and availability for priest, minister or rabbi if requested. I guess I'm old school that way.
12 posted on 05/17/2014 7:29:44 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would rather bring back hanging. To me it has more of an element of punishment. Especially if it’s done right, without breaking the neck. A long painful strangle.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Dr. Sivana
is that redemption from sin can come in the shedding of one’s own blood.

I just heard that this past week. There was another story that the reason he chose the firing squad over hanging, was the firing squad cost more.

14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:35:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This has worked for thousands of years. Why change a good thing?


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:36:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I'm neither Mormon, Catholic nor traditional Baptist, but tend to be well read in all three theologies better than many members of the sects simply because I believe that if God had a favorite sect, it would probably come down to one of these three for reasons which would make a very long thread.

That being said, my understanding of Mormon Doctrine on repentance follows the traditional view that only God can forgive but adds the twist that man, the sinner, needs to make some effort beyond merely asking for forgiveness. That effort includes restitution. i.e., If you steal, you return what is stolen. If you vandalize, you repair the results of your vandalism and restore it to how it was before.

In the case of murder, since you cannot restore a life, the next best thing is to allow your own blood to be shed in restitution. The Mormons, having been pushed around so much and driven from place to place like my Native American ancestors, had no desire to impose their own theology on those not of their faith when the territory was organized, passed into law the choice of hanging, which was the prevailing method of capital punishment at the time, or firing squad, which was the preferred method for Mormons.

I was living in the Mormon belt (Idaho, actually) at the time of the Gilmore execution and can tell you that, while he was raised by a Mormon relative, he had no association with the faith at the time of his crimes or execution. Indeed, he hated Mormons and sought them out for his murder victims.

I'm not sure what went on in his mind in the months leading up to his execution. It was a very lengthy process since the Supreme Court had effectively outlawed capital punishment and Gilmore's lawyers had a lengthy legal battle to carry out his wishes. But it is possible and even likely that Gilmore was somewhat remorseful and selected the firing squad as a way to express that remorse.

Those who were not generally selected hanging when they were told that it cost the state more to carry out.

16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:40:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Firing squad is unnecessary. Shotgun blast at close range to the back of the head. Instant death.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:43:12 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Barbaric.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 7:56:16 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

Guillotine ... it’s the only way to be sure.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 7:57:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

And one size fits all, even federal operatives.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m all in favor of the firing squad, for several reasons.

It has already been approved of as a means of execution, by the US Supreme Court.

It is very inexpensive, and not prone to error, nor is it dependent on hard to obtain chemicals. It would be terribly hard to nit-pick legally.

Now this being said, all should realize that the firing squad is the legal equivalent of lethal self defense.

Zimmerman was the de facto prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner of Martin. There were no endless appeals, no decades in prison. As such, he saved the state a million dollars for every decade Martin would have spent in prison.

And lethal self defense gives the public a way to have swift justice when the courts have failed to give it to them.

Yes, the firing squad should be extensively used and expeditiously.


21 posted on 05/17/2014 8:02:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Vigilanteman; Elsie

“... had no desire to impose their own theology on those not of their faith ...” Um, you’re not as familiar with Joe Smith’s religion as you claim. Your assertion is not supported by the History of Smithinaism/Mormonism, so your screed is ... hollow.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 8:02:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I know a 100% effective, painless, quick, cheap, and bloodless method that uses readily available materials and poses no danger to witnesses or bystanders.

I'll be damned if I'd give it to this government!

23 posted on 05/17/2014 8:20:02 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

My son looked over my shoulder and said “A shower?”


24 posted on 05/17/2014 8:23:22 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Totally unlike murder.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 8:26:03 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Dr. Sivana

Ah. Bloodless isn’t always a plus.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 8:28:23 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Vigilanteman
I believe that if God had a favorite sect, it would probably come down to one of these three for reasons which would make a very long thread.

Should you ever write such a thread, ping me please?

27 posted on 05/17/2014 8:49:05 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

It would be better and more entertaining to create an “Escape from Detroit.”. Wall off the city and the condemned has two options. Fend for yourself within the walls or take a bullet to the head immediately.

Have cameras throughout the city and once a month show “Real World Detroit.”


28 posted on 05/17/2014 8:50:47 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: MHGinTN
The history of Utah Territory and the State shows my assertion is largely correct. Yes, they will try very hard to convert you. I lived among them once and I know. But they did nothing to prevent me from drinking my beer or anything of the sort.

But there is a huge difference from trying to convert you to using the force of law to impose religion in the manner which the left constantly does with their religious dogmas.

If the more numerous sects of Christianity were even half as diligent as the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses in trying to convert people, we wouldn't have a default State Religion of the Left which rigidly enforces their dogmas under the color of law.

29 posted on 05/17/2014 3:39:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: null and void

It will happen when and if I ever get put in prison with internet access.


30 posted on 05/17/2014 3:40:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

If we manage to avoid the showers, I’ll look forward to it.


31 posted on 05/17/2014 3:54:40 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

Nitrogen asphyxiation.


32 posted on 05/17/2014 4:02:58 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Works for me.


33 posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SgtHooper

How could you miss?

He moved.

Shut up! Go and practice.

34 posted on 05/17/2014 4:06:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void

I’m 68, almost 69. My grandfather on my mother’s side used to say that about ‘those damned hippies’. Your son is wise beyond his years.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 5:24:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

Except your grandfather probably wasn’t thinking about Zyklon-B showers.

Yes. He is wise. He is achingly aware of what a government out of control can do to its own citizens.


36 posted on 05/17/2014 5:29:21 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!


37 posted on 05/17/2014 6:07:16 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I personally favor the hemp fandango, but this will work too.


38 posted on 05/18/2014 11:43:59 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Mattie Ross: Why did they hang him so high? Rooster Cogburn: I do not know. Possibly in the belief it'd make him more dead.

39 posted on 05/18/2014 1:30:02 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Chinese know how

40 posted on 05/18/2014 1:39:03 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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