Skip to comments.Russia complains of large Ukrainian troop buildup in east
Posted on 04/26/2014 7:58:44 PM PDT by BurningOak
Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- A perilous face-off intensified Saturday when Russia state news complained that Ukraine had mobilized 15,000 troops in the suburbs of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine "in order to wipe out the city and its residents."
Quoting a Russian Defense Ministry source, RIA Novosti said satellite photos showed the force forming around the city that has become a friction point between the Ukraine military and pro-Russian militants.
The Defense Ministry source said the number of Ukraine troops put the pro-Russian militants at a disadvantage because the latter are "armed only with small amount of pistols and shotguns." Many eastern Ukraine residents have Russian roots and sympathize with Moscow.
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Blockade would be the best thing at this point. No supplies for pro Russia Guerrillas.
Russia is like an abuser that beats you more when you resist, and blames your resistance for the beating.
Maybe Putin should order Obama to stop sending Socks and MRE’s to Ukraine they’re getting bold
I was thinking seige warfare.
I agree about the wisdom of a blockade, but fear Russia will find an excuse for war anyway, might makes right and all that. Putin will simply order separatists to attack the roadblocks, any violence will be blamed on Ukraine and used as an excuse. Or the separatists can start executing hostages and force a response, if they are not above kidnapping journalists and peace observers, they are not above beheading videos. Or Putin can do some Nazi style special forces operation across the border and blame Ukraine for it.
If Kremlin wants war it will get war.
Don’t kid yourself, Slavyansk is basically Russian in culture and sympathy. Debate the reasons why, point out when they became “Russian”, etc. Argue whether Russia has a right to intervene no matter what the sympathies of Slavyansk, etc.
But stay in reality. Western Ukraine is solidly in favor of the Kiev coup. They support it happily.
And conversely, remember that Slavyansk’ oblast went about 96% for Yanukovych in that election.
Ukraine really is between a rock and a hard place. Their cities are being overtaken by Russians. If they attack, war breaks out which is exactly what Putin wants. Their other option is to keep allowing Russia to take more and more without opposition. I don’t see a happy outcome.
And I will always believe this is what Obama meant about being flexible.
It is obvious what Putin is/has been doing. Are Russians so gullible that they believe Putin is there to “protect/rescue” Russians in Ukraine?
You know the cartoon where the big bully is beating up the little kid, a cop walks by, and the bully explains “He kept hitting my hand with his face, officer, but I think I’ll be OK”
.... THAT’s Russia vs. Ukraine
0bama should have thought about that when he was giggling about sending his gay athletes to represent the U.S. in the Olympics, and especially when 0bama was spending $5 Billion to fund the Maidan protests that ousted Yushenko.
...but 0bama is an idiot who had no Plan B and was unprepared for Russia to actually respond.
This may be the contrived impetus to enter Ukraine, clearly before the election is a necessity for the Russian thinking. If thats the final objective, they will do it and not much resistance may occur, if they stay east of the Dniper river. Really for Russia, Ukraine can be rolled up, “Like Grant took Richmond”. To use the slightly inaccurate term. They more than likely will. The west will piss and moan, more sanctions levied, but the sanctions may hurt the west in the long run more than Russia. Obama may be at this moment, after leaving the mosque he is visiting built over a former church, in Malaysia today, order more MRE’s sent in a massive airlift. (The Chili MRE is a personal favorite) perhaps the M&M’s and other treats inside can be handed out to the Russian troops on the March.
People believe what they want to believe. Russians have an inferiority complex and express it by showing their strength against weak targets. Good propaganda doesn’t just lie and tell half truths, it tells people what they think should be the truth.
But the overlooked bottom line is that this is all window dressing for both sides. Neither side gives a tinkers damn about ANY stripe of Ukrainian.
NATO and the EU wants to finally complete their expansion directly up to the actual Russian border.
And Russia insists on a buffer because of all the European invasions they have endured. They view this the way we would view Russian tanks and bases right up on out Mexican border, IF we had been catastrophically invaded by Mexico several times. (back in the days when we had one that is)
Russia intends to do anything it takes not to let Ukraine become a NATO staging ground. Making it more emotional is the Nazi element in the Kiev interim government. (Russians really really hate Nazis)
And the fact that Kiev is the epicenter of Russian history and culture.
They’ll fight for it. And Obama is just fun enough that he’ll start a war on a whim in Ukraine if the Russians roll in. He’s actually that deranged.
Its very insane.
I do not buy the propaganda line that NATO and Russia are two sides of the same coin. NATO and US are not innocents and they certainly are capable of evil deeds, but there is no comparison to the fascist dictatorship in the Kremlin. I do not buy this moral equivalence. Both sides want hegemony but one side promotes freedom and personal rights while the other side is an imperialist dictatorship.
“if they are not above kidnapping journalists and peace observers,”
Journalists are being grabbed off the street in Kiev, too.
I get the feeling Ukraine is trying to force a confrontation, at the urging of Washington, to justify western intervention, (they have already called for it, many times) but the troops in the field aren’t cooperating much.
The polling data shows that the majority of people in the East and South do not support annexation or federalization. You have no evidence for your claims that the Russian-led separatists enjoy any popular support.
But stay in reality. Western Ukraine is solidly in favor of the Kiev coup.
You repeat this in every thread but you always run away like a little girl when I challenge you on it. There was no coup. The Interim government in Ukraine is, in fact, the Ukrainian Rada that was democratically elected in October of 2012. Yanukovych fled the country to a foreign enemy after the entire Rada condemned him, including his own party, for his constitutional abuses, abuses on the Ukrainian people, and his looting.
Every time you describe what happened as a "coup," you are spreading Kremlin lies.
“Blockade would be the best thing at this point. No supplies for pro Russia Guerrillas.”
Yes, a government in Kiev, literally surrounded by armed right sector Nazi camps, should try to starve out a city who is resisting. They should re-enact Stalingrad and Leningrad. And like the Nazis, they should call their actions in eastern Ukraine anti-terror operations.
Talk about tone deaf. That’d be about as bright as Russians deciding to arrest all small farmers, and just calling them kulaks for convenience.
What Kiev should do is shrug and walk away. Better for all involved.
When the Ex-KGB, S.O.B., Hard-line leader of Russia is holding the moral high ground over the President of the United States, you truly know that we, as a nation, have jumped down the rabbit hole.
Can you please provide evidence and details of this claim, provided you do not source a Russian-controlled media outlet?
Putin is an adulterer, murderer, liar, thief, and KGB dog. In what way does he hold the moral high ground over Obama?
Right Sector has about 2000 members in total, not including the ones in jail or dead. Nor do they actually have any members in the Ukrainian Rada. Svoboda, which can also be accused, polls between 11 percent to the single digits, depending on the poll you look at.
Accusations that the government in Kyiv is run by Nazis is evidence of gross ignorance in the poster.
How do you think Russia ever gained so much land to begin with? Russia's history of invading its smaller, weaker neighbors is a long one. Nations have a right to decide their own destiny without having to bow to the whims of a homicidal nation where officers rape baby-faced recruits and force them into prostitution, and all of this under the protection of the regime in Moscow.
NATO is no longer the good guys and is expansionist on behalf of the EU. The EU leaders are not elected. And they support breaking up nations into smaller parts, ask the Balkans.
They fought to establish Al Qeida in Libya and Syria.
And this spreading freedom of NATO. Is that why they were horny to bomb on behalf of al qeida in Syria?
For bonus points, explain why if the EU loves Ukrainians so much, that the agreement wouldn’t let Ukrainians freely travel into the EU?
A google search reveals that there are currently 16 people being held captive by Russian backed goons. The ones that were released report being beaten and jailed. A BBC reporter recently had a gun put to her head.
You have an example of 3 people from a propaganda network detained for one day, and released the next, with no mention of any kind of abuse, nor did you provide any context or explanation for it.
“Both sides want hegemony but one side promotes freedom and personal rights while the other side is an imperialist dictatorship.”
Individual rights,,in the EU? Really wanna go down that road? Homeschool in Germany. Say you disagree with gays or moslems in England. Write about any number of topics in Austria or Germany. Desire to keep your paycheck in France. Discuss moslems raping their way through Norway. Oppose Erdogan in Turkey.
Then come back and tell us about personal rights in the EU.
Why are you still posting? Your relativistic red herrings do not exonerate the murderous and thieving Kremlin. Leftist ideologists use this method to disarm American patriotism and leave us susceptible to communist aggression.
I’m wrong about a lot of things in life sparky. But on Slavyansk,,,I know my way around. Literally.
“Every time you describe what happened as a “coup,” you are spreading Kremlin lies.”
I meant to say the putsch, sorry.
And gosh, I’m realllllly sorry on not getting your permission before I leave a thread. I make my points, and when im done, I go onto other things. My surfing is about me and my goals. I could argue with you for 14 hours, and it wouldn’t change a thing. So I just make my points to let others read it and ponder my opinion. And also of course, to hopefully make you pop a critical vessel. Lunatic.
“Right Sector has about 2000 members in total, not including the ones in jail or dead. Nor do they actually have any members in the Ukrainian Rada.”
Setting up armed camp in the buildings surrounding the Rada, and publically announcing that they are there to make sure the Rada doesn’t forget to fear them,,,,,is indeed, a kind of Rada membership. In a dark and creepy way.
“You repeat this in every thread but you always run away like a little girl when I challenge you on it.”
I don’t like to keep you up late on school nights :)
An anecdote from a Kremlin apologist does not trump actual polling data wherein people are asked their opinions. Forgive me for not taking some random apologist for Moscow as a legitimate source.
And gosh, Im realllllly sorry on not getting your permission before I leave a thread. I make my points, and when im done, I go onto other things. My surfing is about me and my goals.
Your goals are apparently to be annoying. Notice that instead of answering the facts, you start shamelessly whining like a liberal. I do not care about you or about what baseless points you have to make. I do not want to know your methodology, or your purposes, or about your feelings, or your outrage. Conservatives operate rationally, not emotionally.
Setting up armed camp in the buildings surrounding the Rada, and publically announcing that they are there to make sure the Rada doesnt forget to fear them,,,,,is indeed, a kind of Rada membership. In a dark and creepy way.
I notice how you changed from "surrounded" by armed camps, in the plural, to now singular. So how big is the camp you are referring to and can you tell me where it is, how many people are in it, how many of them are members of Right Sector, and provide a link with details about it from a non-Kremlin controlled media outlet?
Sure we have tens of thousands of troops on the Ukraine border ourselves, but the Ukraine is threatening us by preparing to defend itself.
“Why are you still posting?”
Make up your mind sport, in this thread you say both, I leave too soon, and stayed too long. You’re like that retarded bank robbery scene in an old movie called “Raising Arizona”.
“Freeze and Get on the ground”
Welll,,, which is it young feller? Should I freeze? Or get on the ground?
The moral high ground? Are you on crack?
Last time I checked, journalists who criticised EU leaders didn’t get poisoned or thrown in jail.
But that’s what happens to journalists in Russia who dare to criticise Putin.
I guess you missed that important difference between Western countries and Russia’s gangster government.
Stumbling our way to disaster..... 2014 meet 1914....
Has the Obama regime ever been on the good side of any fight?
or even on the least evil side in any fight?
Why are so many now believing that Obama has for once chosen the right or even the least evil side in this mess in Ukraine?
“An anecdote from a Kremlin apologist does not trump actual polling data wherein people are asked their opinions”
Opinion Polls, in a locked down city, at odds with the government, with internet largely shut down. People will really tell strangers their opinions in that circumstance!
Yeahhhhhhh,,, no skew to THAT poll!
“but but,,, the polls clearly say,,,”
THAT is your proof?
Well goodnight buttercup. I really have to go to another thread now. Its nothing personal, and I PROMISE ill miss you. Bye!
The polls I am referring to have been made over several years, with the most recent being in February or March.
THAT is your proof?
Yes, a long line of consistent polling results is positive proof. If you don't believe me, then advocate for the Russian GRU to stop renting mobs and to allow for peaceful voting to occur in May as already planned by the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
Don't worry, there is a special place in hell for traitors to their country and apologists of evil.
This isn’t about Obama, despite you Russian apologists’ attempts to make it that way .... this is about everyone who values freedom .... obviously not you
He had in Syria, and if it is true that USAID, the US State Department, Omidyar, and Soro’s Renaissance spent tons of money destabilizing Ukraine, just like in Tunisia,Egypt, Libya, and tried in Syria, then he has it here, as well.
Can't think for yourself?
You have to check first with somebody else and then think the opposite?
Anyway, this isn't about Obama. This is about Russia trying to annex part of Ukraine and this is about parts of Ukraine not wanting to be annexed by Russia.
Its treason,, not to support Ukrainian Nazis. Interesting. And I have a combat earned right to my opinion you Kievan turdblossom. You’ll lie, but you don’t.
So just because Obama destabilized Syria, Egypt and Libya it means that Obama destabilized Ukraine?
Of course not.
Syria, Egypt and Libya all had Obama's Muslim Brotherhood in common. Ukraine has no MB side. Ukraine, like Georgia have a history of revolutions before Obama was president. Remember the Rose revolution. Remember the Orange revolution.
What happened in Kiev this time similar to the Rose and Orange revolution have nothing to do with Obungo.
A real American does not use leftist methods to benefit the reds and demonize the United States. I refer to your relativism, emotionalism, and inability to respond to facts.