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Paul: Still hope for immigration reform this year
The Hill ^ | April 25, 2014, 05:53 pm | Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) thinks there’s still hope for immigration reform this year, but only if Democrats are willing to negotiate.

“People have to acknowledge that the Democrats, if they want it passed, have to make more of a compromise,” he said in a talk to students at Harvard's Institute of Politics on Friday.

Paul envisions that compromise as some sort of legal status — “status and a place for people here so that they can come out of the shadows, let them begin paying taxes, let them not be locked up and having them run from the authorities,” he said. But he said that status would not include the voting rights “that everybody wants.”

He said voting rights could come “someday,” but at this point in the debate the only reform he thinks could pass is a more stripped-down bill.

The Senate did pass a comprehensive reform bill last June with strong bipartisan support, but Paul voted against that bill — because, he said on Friday, it “doesn’t do enough.” He said the caps on different kinds of workers were too low to effectively deal with the problem.

“We can’t have a limit so small that it doesn’t encompass what the demand is,” Paul said.

Hopes for final passage of a reform package this year have faltered in the House, where Republican leaders have said they have no plans to bring up the Senate bill for a vote, and no alternative comprehensive reform package has emerged. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) seemed to confirm the slim chance for reform this year during a speech Thursday in his home district where he mocked fellow Republicans for refusing to tackle the issue.

"Here's the attitude: 'Ohhhh. Don't make me do this. Ohhhh. This is too hard,' " he told a meeting of the Middletown Rotary Club.

But Paul charged that the failure to move forward with reform lies partly with Democrats, some of whom he said are content to “keep beating up the Republicans on this” because it’s helping the party win the Hispanic vote.

“And then there are some responsible people on both sides who want to pass something,” he added.

The Kentucky senator concluded: “I still think something could pass this year. Some of it more than anything is attitude, that we treat people with dignity and respect and that we acknowledge that we were all immigrants at one point in time, that immigrants are an asset.” 


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amnesty; ericcantor; johnboehner; kentucky; libertarian; mattbevin; mitchmcconnell; ohio; openborders; outoflove; rand; randnesty; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; randsconcerntrolls; shadows; undocumented
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1 posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Securing the borders and enforcing existing laws would be a terrific reform.

Unfortunately I don’t thing that is what Rand is referring to.


2 posted on 04/26/2014 9:37:08 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: Junk Silver

And where is this magical place where illegals are “running from the authorities?” I see them testifying, appearing at public events, getting licences to practice law, scholarships for college and on and on and on. Rand Paul has lost his mind.


3 posted on 04/26/2014 9:42:40 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul didn’t fall far from the tree.


4 posted on 04/26/2014 9:45:04 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: HMS Surprise

He had one?


5 posted on 04/26/2014 9:45:29 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes, one would think the first thing they would offer is a solid plan of action to ensure this influx of criminals stops - immediately - and permanently. Immigration should be orderly and within our laws, rewarding those that follow the laws and the steps to becoming a citizen.


6 posted on 04/26/2014 9:45:48 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: HMS Surprise

” I see them testifying, appearing at public events, getting licences to practice law, scholarships for college and on and on and on. Rand Paul has lost his mind.”

BINGO.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 9:47:25 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: SoConPubbie

Follow examples of countries with successful programs for immigrant workers. I was in Singapore a few weeks ago which has infrastructure and prosperity which makes US look like a 3rd world country. Just one example, Singapore airport has several dozen PC’s for use by passengers with free internet. What is the last time you saw such facility in a US airport?

So what is Singapore’s immigration policy?
Their unemployment rate -40%. In other words there are 40% more jobs than there are citizens of Singapore. So do they have open borders? Heck no!

They issue 2 year work permits for foreign workers. There are currently 2 million such workers in Singapore. They must return after 2 years to their country of origin and re-apply for another work permit. So authorities know every alien’s address and work address. They know exactly who is there and what they are doing. In USA we have no clue!


8 posted on 04/26/2014 9:48:44 AM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: SoConPubbie

Has someone kidnapped the old Rand Paul?

This is getting crazy. He’s done more to turn away social conservatives in one week than any candidate I can ever remember.

Maybe they’ll return the real Rand Paul for a rino and an intern to be named later.

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him coming out of the closet any moment now.


9 posted on 04/26/2014 9:51:23 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie
I like what I'm hearing from Paul. With what Paul is saying lately, it's becoming less likely that Paul will split off much of the Cruz vote.

And that's good news.

Jeb, beware.

10 posted on 04/26/2014 9:54:45 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Junk Silver

I always love “reform”. Remember campaign finance ‘reform’ in the 90’s? Clinton and Gore were caught dead to rights. Instead of busting them, the politicians initiated ‘reforms’. New laws that were promptly ignored. Same thing will happen here. The best reform is enforcement.


11 posted on 04/26/2014 9:56:15 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul is a “thinking” man. He has well thought out policies and ideas for this country. The “knee JERK”, “sound bite” mentality of his critics is just politics. They support someone else.

Listen, and more importantly understand, his positions on the issues. He makes SENSE. Just shouting “AMNESTY” is a pathetic and ignorant response to immigration reform.


12 posted on 04/26/2014 9:59:13 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: entropy12

More smart policies of Singapore government:

There are signposts everywhere declaring “Singapore has death penalty for drug smugglers”. Result: there is no drug problem!

Singapore has no food stamps program. If you do not work, and are not disabled, you starve or find a charity.

Singapore has no unemployment compensation program. No wonder everyone has a job!


13 posted on 04/26/2014 10:01:12 AM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: faucetman

Hey FaucetMan,

Do you truly consider yourself a conservative?

Or are you here just at the behest of Rand Paul to protect him?


14 posted on 04/26/2014 10:07:04 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

What a jerk.


15 posted on 04/26/2014 10:11:40 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: faucetman

Rand Paul is a smart guy and I think he would be the most likely candidate to try to restore our Constitutional Republic, the Constitution, our liberty and our freedom. He is 1 of the 7 Senator’s that voted against the NDAA because he thought it was Unconstituional and gave the government dictatorial power.

Rand Paul thinks we should have a great military primarily geared for defense, that we should quit sending money to nations that hate us, we should help defend our allies, and nation building through war (Iraq) is not the right thing to do. Rand Paul thinks that if we have to go to war, we strike hard, using our power to defeat quickly rather than have a war designed to make defense contractors rich.


16 posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:46 AM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: svcw

Actually, he didn’t drop far from the bull.


17 posted on 04/26/2014 10:27:02 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: faucetman

Rand Paul has a level of thought which only appears rational to other stoners.


18 posted on 04/26/2014 10:29:40 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: faucetman

Rand Paul is at best a Cheshire conservative. you are at best a shill for said Cheshire conservative.

At worst Paul is an undocumented Democrat. What that would make you I’ll leave for people to decide themselves.


19 posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:55 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: fhayek

repubs have no balls to do repeal on anything. also no balls to enforce existing laws.

we have no real representation from any major political party.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 10:41:31 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SoConPubbie

TRANSLATION: “We’re jamming it down your rednecked throats the day after the midterm elections.”


21 posted on 04/26/2014 10:47:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: SoConPubbie

The Demonuts only saved the Immigration crap for Election time to screw with GOP heads


22 posted on 04/26/2014 10:49:50 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Paul: Still hope for immigration reform this year”

There has been hope for `immigration reform’ every year since 1986, the last time we were assured that immigration reforms were needed.
But the assurances were hollow and because of federal fecklessness, now the problem has metastasized. You critters aren’t worth your salt, yet some of you demand more money!
Rand, if you’re going to try and pull our .. legs, you might at least give us a kiss:
You, McCain, Boehner and your fellow Democrats don’t want “immigration reform.”
You want another amnesty. And to that we say, “Been there, done that.
“You don’t come to discuss the matter,” (as Elizabeth I said to Essex) “You come to rule,” and we say to you,
“No way Jose!”
Try some real `reform’—secure our borders, deport the criminals and enforce the last set of laws you critters passed.


23 posted on 04/26/2014 10:55:12 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: faucetman

Actually, Rand Paul is an idiot.
He now backs ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE, open borders,
and amnesty.

He COULD have taken a conservative position,
but that would NOT have put Cindy Sheehan in his column.


24 posted on 04/26/2014 11:01:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: xzins
Has someone kidnapped the old Rand Paul?

Not sure. But all of these things are in accordance with the view I've always had of him.
25 posted on 04/26/2014 11:19:58 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: SoConPubbie

Randy Man
Fact: Illegals PAY TAXES they pay withholding and SS, they pay property taxes through their rent, they pay sales and excise taxes. Stop lying they pay just not under their name.
Fact: They choose to live in the shadows because they are at home there.

Why fo you holed insist on giving away our country?
They are felons, invaders, criminals and they should never be granted more than a green card and a ticket to their home country.


26 posted on 04/26/2014 11:58:38 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (Obama so loves the poor he created millions more.)
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To: MrEdd

He’s a steaming pile alright!


27 posted on 04/26/2014 12:02:58 PM PDT by parthian shot
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz Tries to Claim the Middle Ground on Immigration

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

“I have said many times that I want to see common-sense immigration reform pass,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/us/cruz-tries-to-claim-the-middle-ground-on-immigration.html?_r=0


28 posted on 04/26/2014 12:49:32 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Junk Silver

Whose hoping for it? I’m praying it never happens.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 12:51:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SoConPubbie

This Nativist says:
NO to amnesty.
OUT!!!, if by bayonet point, but OUT, and that INCLUDES every dog-faqce Mohammedan within the CONUS.


30 posted on 04/26/2014 1:18:19 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SoConPubbie

Oh, Rand, Rand, Rand. Have you learned NOTHING from the saga of Rubio?


31 posted on 04/26/2014 1:41:06 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: BarnacleCenturion

You are going to spam Paul threads with attempted anti-Cruz posts?


32 posted on 04/26/2014 2:33:29 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: entropy12

Gee, you were in Singapore “a few weeks ago”?

After posting that dozens, if not hundreds of times, shouldn’t you update it to months?

Singapore has nothing to do with America and Mexico and Latin America in regards to immigration, why post it all?


33 posted on 04/26/2014 2:38:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: faucetman

Rand Paul is clearly an idiot, the more he speaks, the more weird and floundering he appears, no wonder he was a Romney man.


34 posted on 04/26/2014 2:39:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

A.S. Sowell must like the new Rand very establishment GOP and a sellout to conservative like he is.


35 posted on 04/26/2014 2:41:09 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Zenjitsuman

huh?


36 posted on 04/26/2014 3:08:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

March 7th


37 posted on 04/26/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: ansel12

Because Singapore impressed the heck out of me.
Their Work Permits system eliminates illegal immigrants.
Because they know exactly where you work and live via the work permits. Employer can not hire anyone without a work permit. Rand Paul is in favor of the work permit system.

Singapore has practically no street crime. Drug dealers are given death penalty if convicted. So there is no drug problem. No jails, no cops, no judges, no bailiffs, no lawyers needed to enforce drug laws. If they catch you doing graffiti, or spitting in public areas, they flog you in public. No wonder the city looks clean.

Finally prosperity is visible everywhere. They have no food stamps or unemployment compensation programs by the government. Result? Negative 40% unemployment rate. Which means there are 40% more jobs than citizens. Those are filled by foreign workers on work permits.

US could learn a lot from Singapore, not from Mexico or S. America.


38 posted on 04/26/2014 3:45:40 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: SoConPubbie
Paul envisions that compromise as some sort of legal status — “status and a place for people here so that they can come out of the shadows, let them begin paying taxes, let them not be locked up and having them run from the authorities,” he said. But he said that status would not include the voting rights “that everybody wants.”
So they'll pay taxes but not be able to vote.

What's wrong with this picture?

39 posted on 04/26/2014 3:46:52 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul is inciting millions more Democrat voters to cross the border.

It is highly immoral to import even more violence and poverty for all involved.

So Rand Paul basically admits they are not Republican and wont vote Republican but he is not sure how to make sure they never vote. He says voter fraud is hyped.

He is probably one of the more misinformed candidates on the issue.

I’ll stick with Rhodes Scholar Vitter for advice on the subject.

I think Mitch McConnell has been listening a lot to Rand Paul and Jeff Sessions and thinks he can pretend to be anti-amnesty until November to beat Bevin and Grimes.


40 posted on 04/26/2014 4:06:19 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Bratch

12 million more arrive.

Id rather have 300,000 illegals cross the border per year than 1 million.

The illegals are chasing jobs and welfare not citizenship. That is the magnet. JD Hayworth and Rush Limbaugh were explaining this to Bush as far back as 2006.


41 posted on 04/26/2014 4:07:38 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SoConPubbie

“Something-—? “ The fella is having trouble making his lips work. As with anyone else who can’t plainly spit out what the bleep it is they actually want to do——I can’t use him.


42 posted on 04/26/2014 4:20:16 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

I’m totally against amnesty.

That said, any legislation that attempts to tax individuals without giving said individuals the right-to-vote goes against everything upon which this country was founded.

I’m dumbfounded any politician could even consider this concept, much less attempt to enact it.

It’s just another example of how far we’ve strayed for our origins.


43 posted on 04/26/2014 4:52:05 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: SoConPubbie

As if Dems would ever negotiate. Negotiating with them means they want 1000% evil and Rs say “how about only 500% evil?” and the Dems say , “No, 750% evil”, and Rs say “okay”. Then the Dems add the other 250% in the “detials”.

Rand Paul is actually even worse than his father. More duplicitous. At least with Ron Paul you know where he stood.


44 posted on 04/26/2014 4:55:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: entropy12

Singapore and America a have nothing in common, even chewing gum is illegal there.

Singapore has twice the population of Brooklyn, and from 1994 through 1999 executed by hanging, 14 per 100,000 of it’s population, for breaking the law.

Among the death penalty crimes: “Unlawful discharge of firearms, even if no one is injured”


45 posted on 04/26/2014 5:12:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: xzins

This *is* the old Rand Paul - not the one who reinvented himself as a conservative during 2010 Senate primary.


46 posted on 04/26/2014 5:28:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ansel12

If you have brains, you learn from the successful.
Stupid people ignore how others became successful.
If you want to live with 93 million unemployed,
12 to 30 million illegals, 50 million on food stamps,
spending a fortune on prisons, judges, cops, lawyers,
bailiffs, court houses...to deal with drug offenders,
crumbling infrastructure & bridges, then ignore Singapore.


47 posted on 04/26/2014 5:40:55 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: entropy12

LOL, read post 45.

The United States is not going to become a nightmare of oppression and lack of freedom, to emulate the tiny city/state of Singapore.

Besides, the United States has nothing in common with that little 5 million peopled, Asian city/state.


48 posted on 04/26/2014 5:46:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul Backs Work Visas for Illegal Immigrants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147968/posts

Rand Paul seeks new allies among Romney 2012 team
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148697/posts


49 posted on 04/26/2014 5:56:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SoConPubbie

Paul and McC ought to hold a primary between them for most useless Republican senator. I would be “undecided”.


50 posted on 04/26/2014 5:59:58 PM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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