Skip to comments.Paul: Still hope for immigration reform this year
Posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:47 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) thinks theres still hope for immigration reform this year, but only if Democrats are willing to negotiate.
People have to acknowledge that the Democrats, if they want it passed, have to make more of a compromise, he said in a talk to students at Harvard's Institute of Politics on Friday.
Paul envisions that compromise as some sort of legal status status and a place for people here so that they can come out of the shadows, let them begin paying taxes, let them not be locked up and having them run from the authorities, he said. But he said that status would not include the voting rights that everybody wants.
He said voting rights could come someday, but at this point in the debate the only reform he thinks could pass is a more stripped-down bill.
The Senate did pass a comprehensive reform bill last June with strong bipartisan support, but Paul voted against that bill because, he said on Friday, it doesnt do enough. He said the caps on different kinds of workers were too low to effectively deal with the problem.
We cant have a limit so small that it doesnt encompass what the demand is, Paul said.
Hopes for final passage of a reform package this year have faltered in the House, where Republican leaders have said they have no plans to bring up the Senate bill for a vote, and no alternative comprehensive reform package has emerged. Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) seemed to confirm the slim chance for reform this year during a speech Thursday in his home district where he mocked fellow Republicans for refusing to tackle the issue.
"Here's the attitude: 'Ohhhh. Don't make me do this. Ohhhh. This is too hard,' " he told a meeting of the Middletown Rotary Club.
But Paul charged that the failure to move forward with reform lies partly with Democrats, some of whom he said are content to keep beating up the Republicans on this because its helping the party win the Hispanic vote.
And then there are some responsible people on both sides who want to pass something, he added.
The Kentucky senator concluded: I still think something could pass this year. Some of it more than anything is attitude, that we treat people with dignity and respect and that we acknowledge that we were all immigrants at one point in time, that immigrants are an asset.
Securing the borders and enforcing existing laws would be a terrific reform.
Unfortunately I don’t thing that is what Rand is referring to.
And where is this magical place where illegals are “running from the authorities?” I see them testifying, appearing at public events, getting licences to practice law, scholarships for college and on and on and on. Rand Paul has lost his mind.
Rand Paul didn’t fall far from the tree.
He had one?
Yes, one would think the first thing they would offer is a solid plan of action to ensure this influx of criminals stops - immediately - and permanently. Immigration should be orderly and within our laws, rewarding those that follow the laws and the steps to becoming a citizen.
” I see them testifying, appearing at public events, getting licences to practice law, scholarships for college and on and on and on. Rand Paul has lost his mind.”
Follow examples of countries with successful programs for immigrant workers. I was in Singapore a few weeks ago which has infrastructure and prosperity which makes US look like a 3rd world country. Just one example, Singapore airport has several dozen PC’s for use by passengers with free internet. What is the last time you saw such facility in a US airport?
So what is Singapore’s immigration policy?
Their unemployment rate -40%. In other words there are 40% more jobs than there are citizens of Singapore. So do they have open borders? Heck no!
They issue 2 year work permits for foreign workers. There are currently 2 million such workers in Singapore. They must return after 2 years to their country of origin and re-apply for another work permit. So authorities know every alien’s address and work address. They know exactly who is there and what they are doing. In USA we have no clue!
Has someone kidnapped the old Rand Paul?
This is getting crazy. He’s done more to turn away social conservatives in one week than any candidate I can ever remember.
Maybe they’ll return the real Rand Paul for a rino and an intern to be named later.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear him coming out of the closet any moment now.
And that's good news.
I always love “reform”. Remember campaign finance ‘reform’ in the 90’s? Clinton and Gore were caught dead to rights. Instead of busting them, the politicians initiated ‘reforms’. New laws that were promptly ignored. Same thing will happen here. The best reform is enforcement.
Rand Paul is a “thinking” man. He has well thought out policies and ideas for this country. The “knee JERK”, “sound bite” mentality of his critics is just politics. They support someone else.
Listen, and more importantly understand, his positions on the issues. He makes SENSE. Just shouting “AMNESTY” is a pathetic and ignorant response to immigration reform.
More smart policies of Singapore government:
There are signposts everywhere declaring “Singapore has death penalty for drug smugglers”. Result: there is no drug problem!
Singapore has no food stamps program. If you do not work, and are not disabled, you starve or find a charity.
Singapore has no unemployment compensation program. No wonder everyone has a job!
Do you truly consider yourself a conservative?
Or are you here just at the behest of Rand Paul to protect him?
What a jerk.
Rand Paul is a smart guy and I think he would be the most likely candidate to try to restore our Constitutional Republic, the Constitution, our liberty and our freedom. He is 1 of the 7 Senators that voted against the NDAA because he thought it was Unconstituional and gave the government dictatorial power.
Rand Paul thinks we should have a great military primarily geared for defense, that we should quit sending money to nations that hate us, we should help defend our allies, and nation building through war (Iraq) is not the right thing to do. Rand Paul thinks that if we have to go to war, we strike hard, using our power to defeat quickly rather than have a war designed to make defense contractors rich.
Actually, he didn’t drop far from the bull.
Rand Paul has a level of thought which only appears rational to other stoners.
Rand Paul is at best a Cheshire conservative. you are at best a shill for said Cheshire conservative.
At worst Paul is an undocumented Democrat. What that would make you I’ll leave for people to decide themselves.
repubs have no balls to do repeal on anything. also no balls to enforce existing laws.
we have no real representation from any major political party.
TRANSLATION: “We’re jamming it down your rednecked throats the day after the midterm elections.”
The Demonuts only saved the Immigration crap for Election time to screw with GOP heads
“Paul: Still hope for immigration reform this year”
There has been hope for `immigration reform’ every year since 1986, the last time we were assured that immigration reforms were needed.
But the assurances were hollow and because of federal fecklessness, now the problem has metastasized. You critters aren’t worth your salt, yet some of you demand more money!
Rand, if you’re going to try and pull our .. legs, you might at least give us a kiss:
You, McCain, Boehner and your fellow Democrats don’t want “immigration reform.”
You want another amnesty. And to that we say, “Been there, done that.
“You don’t come to discuss the matter,” (as Elizabeth I said to Essex) “You come to rule,” and we say to you,
“No way Jose!”
Try some real `reform’—secure our borders, deport the criminals and enforce the last set of laws you critters passed.
Actually, Rand Paul is an idiot.
He now backs ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE, open borders,
He COULD have taken a conservative position,
but that would NOT have put Cindy Sheehan in his column.
Fact: Illegals PAY TAXES they pay withholding and SS, they pay property taxes through their rent, they pay sales and excise taxes. Stop lying they pay just not under their name.
Fact: They choose to live in the shadows because they are at home there.
Why fo you holed insist on giving away our country?
They are felons, invaders, criminals and they should never be granted more than a green card and a ticket to their home country.
He’s a steaming pile alright!
Cruz Tries to Claim the Middle Ground on Immigration
The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight, he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.
I have said many times that I want to see common-sense immigration reform pass, he said.
Whose hoping for it? I’m praying it never happens.
This Nativist says:
NO to amnesty.
OUT!!!, if by bayonet point, but OUT, and that INCLUDES every dog-faqce Mohammedan within the CONUS.
Oh, Rand, Rand, Rand. Have you learned NOTHING from the saga of Rubio?
You are going to spam Paul threads with attempted anti-Cruz posts?
Gee, you were in Singapore “a few weeks ago”?
After posting that dozens, if not hundreds of times, shouldn’t you update it to months?
Singapore has nothing to do with America and Mexico and Latin America in regards to immigration, why post it all?
Rand Paul is clearly an idiot, the more he speaks, the more weird and floundering he appears, no wonder he was a Romney man.
A.S. Sowell must like the new Rand very establishment GOP and a sellout to conservative like he is.
Because Singapore impressed the heck out of me.
Their Work Permits system eliminates illegal immigrants.
Because they know exactly where you work and live via the work permits. Employer can not hire anyone without a work permit. Rand Paul is in favor of the work permit system.
Singapore has practically no street crime. Drug dealers are given death penalty if convicted. So there is no drug problem. No jails, no cops, no judges, no bailiffs, no lawyers needed to enforce drug laws. If they catch you doing graffiti, or spitting in public areas, they flog you in public. No wonder the city looks clean.
Finally prosperity is visible everywhere. They have no food stamps or unemployment compensation programs by the government. Result? Negative 40% unemployment rate. Which means there are 40% more jobs than citizens. Those are filled by foreign workers on work permits.
US could learn a lot from Singapore, not from Mexico or S. America.
Paul envisions that compromise as some sort of legal status status and a place for people here so that they can come out of the shadows, let them begin paying taxes, let them not be locked up and having them run from the authorities, he said. But he said that status would not include the voting rights that everybody wants.So they'll pay taxes but not be able to vote.
What's wrong with this picture?
Rand Paul is inciting millions more Democrat voters to cross the border.
It is highly immoral to import even more violence and poverty for all involved.
So Rand Paul basically admits they are not Republican and wont vote Republican but he is not sure how to make sure they never vote. He says voter fraud is hyped.
He is probably one of the more misinformed candidates on the issue.
I’ll stick with Rhodes Scholar Vitter for advice on the subject.
I think Mitch McConnell has been listening a lot to Rand Paul and Jeff Sessions and thinks he can pretend to be anti-amnesty until November to beat Bevin and Grimes.
12 million more arrive.
Id rather have 300,000 illegals cross the border per year than 1 million.
The illegals are chasing jobs and welfare not citizenship. That is the magnet. JD Hayworth and Rush Limbaugh were explaining this to Bush as far back as 2006.
“Something-—? “ The fella is having trouble making his lips work. As with anyone else who can’t plainly spit out what the bleep it is they actually want to do——I can’t use him.
I’m totally against amnesty.
That said, any legislation that attempts to tax individuals without giving said individuals the right-to-vote goes against everything upon which this country was founded.
I’m dumbfounded any politician could even consider this concept, much less attempt to enact it.
It’s just another example of how far we’ve strayed for our origins.
As if Dems would ever negotiate. Negotiating with them means they want 1000% evil and Rs say “how about only 500% evil?” and the Dems say , “No, 750% evil”, and Rs say “okay”. Then the Dems add the other 250% in the “detials”.
Rand Paul is actually even worse than his father. More duplicitous. At least with Ron Paul you know where he stood.
Singapore and America a have nothing in common, even chewing gum is illegal there.
Singapore has twice the population of Brooklyn, and from 1994 through 1999 executed by hanging, 14 per 100,000 of it’s population, for breaking the law.
Among the death penalty crimes: “Unlawful discharge of firearms, even if no one is injured”
This *is* the old Rand Paul - not the one who reinvented himself as a conservative during 2010 Senate primary.
If you have brains, you learn from the successful.
Stupid people ignore how others became successful.
If you want to live with 93 million unemployed,
12 to 30 million illegals, 50 million on food stamps,
spending a fortune on prisons, judges, cops, lawyers,
bailiffs, court houses...to deal with drug offenders,
crumbling infrastructure & bridges, then ignore Singapore.
LOL, read post 45.
The United States is not going to become a nightmare of oppression and lack of freedom, to emulate the tiny city/state of Singapore.
Besides, the United States has nothing in common with that little 5 million peopled, Asian city/state.
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Paul and McC ought to hold a primary between them for most useless Republican senator. I would be “undecided”.