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Ukraine PM Says Russia Airspace Violation 'Provocation To War'
NDTV ^ | April 26, 2014 | AFP

Posted on 04/26/2014 8:06:13 AM PDT by Strategy

Vatican City: Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said on Saturday that Russian military aircraft had crossed the country's airspace seven times "to provoke Ukraine to start a war."

"Russian military aircraft today overnight crossed and violated Ukrainian airspace seven times. The only reason is to provoke Ukraine to start a war," he told journalists at a briefing in Rome, following a meeting with Pope Francis and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: obama; pope; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 04/26/2014 8:06:13 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy
"We urge Russia to pull back its security forces. We urge Russia to leave us alone,"

Reminds me of "Mommy he is touching me".


2 posted on 04/26/2014 8:15:50 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: darkwing104
Reminds me of "Mommy he is touching me".

Sure.

Brilliant analogy.

Putin is just playing a harmless kids game.

3 posted on 04/26/2014 8:52:29 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Sarcastic condescension is rarely the foundation for a convincing argument, and this is no exception. It is not a bad analogy, given the hollow nature of the implicit threat of such a proclamation. This is clearly an invitation for the West to get involved, and not a threat of Ukrainian response. So, yes, it is roughly similar to “Mommy he is touching me”.


4 posted on 04/26/2014 9:10:29 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: darkwing104
Reminds me of "Mommy he is touching me".

Yah,but in *this* case the "he" is a well known,well documented,brazenly proud child molester.

5 posted on 04/26/2014 9:17:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: jjsheridan5
Sarcastic condescension is rarely the foundation for a convincing argument, and this is no exception.

The analogy is condescending to the people of Ukraine. I simply responded in kind.

It is not a bad analogy, given the hollow nature of the implicit threat of such a proclamation. This is clearly an invitation for the West to get involved, and not a threat of Ukrainian response. So, yes, it is roughly similar to “Mommy he is touching me”.

I disagree. The threat isn't "hollow". Russia has already taken one oblast by force and they are currently repeating the process in at least two additional oblasts. That's hardly an example of a "Mommy he's touching me" kids game.

It's an example of a country who's sovereignty is being attacked, who is weak and needs help, and who is describing a serious, dangerous real life problem.

6 posted on 04/26/2014 9:26:46 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: jjsheridan5

When the Russian tanks roll in and begin killing Ukrainian citizens in yet another Russian war of chauvinism against another smaller and weaker country, come back and remind us how you stood up for Putin’s bullying. Remind us that you were unwilling to see his military threats as anything more than childish horseplay.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 9:45:02 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
When the US jets begin killing citizens in yet another US war of chauvinism against another smaller and weaker country, come back and remind us how you stood up for Obama's bullying. Remind us that you were unwilling to see his military threats as anything more than childish horseplay.

Libya. You did post like this, then, yes?

8 posted on 04/26/2014 9:55:29 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: elhombrelibre
When the Russian tanks roll in and begin killing Ukrainian citizens in yet another Russian war of chauvinism against another smaller and weaker country, come back and remind us how you stood up for Putin’s bullying. Remind us that you were unwilling to see his military threats as anything more than childish horseplay.

According to you and your ilk, this invasion has already occurred, replete with Geneva convention violations, crimes against humanity, and whatever other buzzwords you can come up with ("war of chauvinism" -- that is a new one for this context, and quite clever, in its own way). What I am standing up against is 2 things: US involvement in a purely regional affair (Europe can get involved if they are so inclined, I couldn't care less), and 2) non-stop exaggeration induced, apparently, by hyperventilation. No, I don't see this as childish horseplay, and neither should we as a country. The short-term consequences of miscalculation are potentially terrible, not just to Ukraine itself, and the long-term ramifications of such a miscalculation won't be trivial.

The last thing we need is to take on these kinds of risk purely because we are prone to exaggeration and taking things out of historical context. As far as standing up for Putin's "bullying" (buy a thesaurus, dude), I am doing no such thing. I am merely of the position that this doesn't constitute a global threat, and we are much more likely to make the situation worse, not better, if we pretend it is.

I feel for the people of Ukraine, but the world is a very rough place, for a lot of its people. Unlike the people of, say North Korea, however, the people of Ukraine have the ability to affect their own destiny. If we are going to get involved in something, for humanitarian reasons, there are much better places to start.
9 posted on 04/26/2014 10:06:56 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5

You’ve knowingly created a totally false narrative by saying that anyone says there have been crimes against humanity. I say show me the evidence to the contrary or until you do be recognized as a liar.


10 posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:09 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: bill1952

Another fan of the muslim terrorist Kadaffy who murdered scores of innocent Americans. How sickening. No wonder you support the genocidal terrorist Putin too.


11 posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:10 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: bill1952

Oh, you were for Gaddafi or you’re for using moral equivalence, like an anti-American leftist?


12 posted on 04/26/2014 10:14:36 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Don’t you know? Kadaffy was one of the “good muslims” like Assad and the Ayatollah, not one of those bad muslims like Obama.


13 posted on 04/26/2014 10:18:17 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, I know. That’s some crazy stuff. Gaddafy a good Muslim, now I’ve heard it all. I hear these lowbrow Puitinista cheerleaders cheering on one of the richest men in the world, President for Life Putin, and never minding or figuring out that his secret police are in bed with the Iranian secret police while he helps the mad mullahs of Iran become a nuclear power. Putin - they say - is the Charlemagne of our time, if not Constantine himself, and these philistines are too stupid to see he’s in bed with the same Muslims he’s protecting the world from.


14 posted on 04/26/2014 10:43:23 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: bill1952

Were you mad at Reagan when he bombed Gaddafy?


15 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:32 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
That’s some crazy stuff. Gaddafy a good Muslim, now I’ve heard it all

After Reagan bombed Lybia, 'Gaddafy' got the message. He opened up his country to US inspection, got rid of all his gas and bomb programs, turned over the Locobie bomber and was toeing the line and became one of the 'good' guys.

Why in the hell did we then bomb him to his grave and permit the brotherhood to take over the country, now a very risky place for Christians.

Putin did not want this to happen and is one of the reasons that he doesn't trust Obama.

16 posted on 04/26/2014 11:23:08 AM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

We can’t run our own country responsibly yet can’t seem to resist getting involved in the affairs of other countries. It inevitably it has blowback from others that had relationships with those countries. Obama said that Assad in Syria had to go and that then created the power vacum that created a civil war. Why did we invade Libya as Ghadaffi had done what we asked?

There are outside forces that thrive on turmoil and divide. You can bet that these forces that push multi-culturalism upon us will inevitably turn it against the USA.


17 posted on 04/26/2014 1:51:37 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: Strategy

Now, children. Let’s discuss this like adults. Nobody outside of your little corner of the world really gives a rat’s ass. Ukrainian. Russian. What’s the difference? So put down those high-tech weapons systems, and go harvest some wheat, eat potatoes, drink vodka, sell internet brides, or something. Whatever it is you people ordinarily do.


18 posted on 04/26/2014 2:47:02 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Due to an old, unsurprising move, the vodka is already out of the bottle and on the ground.


19 posted on 04/26/2014 4:35:45 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Strategy

All along, Russian aircraft, including bombers made for carrying nukes, have buzzed into our airspace and airspace over quite a few friendly nations and been escorted away by older NATO fighters. It’s the huff-and-run behavior of a problem child, and admirers of bullies sympathize with it.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 4:51:16 PM PDT by familyop
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To: apoliticalone

Those who push multiculturalism protest against defense.


21 posted on 04/26/2014 4:52:55 PM PDT by familyop
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To: elhombrelibre

Seems like you have a decent Internet connection there at one of the Eastern bloc countries you’re deployed to.


22 posted on 04/26/2014 6:36:01 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: familyop

“All along, Russian aircraft, including bombers made for carrying nukes, have buzzed into our airspace and airspace over quite a few friendly nations and been escorted away by older NATO fighters. It’s the huff-and-run behavior of a problem child, and admirers of bullies sympathize with it.”

I think you terribly mistaken in your assessment of the situation. These are not games, these are military exercises designed to gauge NATO interceptor response times. These are prewar maneuvers, not tamper tantrums.


23 posted on 04/26/2014 7:45:57 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: randomhero97

Not deployed now.


24 posted on 04/26/2014 11:27:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: BurningOak

Very good points. These probes are to gather intel.


25 posted on 04/26/2014 11:30:23 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Strategy

“The only reason is to provoke Ukraine to start a war”

The only reason?


26 posted on 04/26/2014 11:59:30 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: elhombrelibre; BurningOak
"Very good points. These probes are to gather intel."

Including the Bear bomber runs by Canada, the U.S.A., the Philippines and other countries over the past decade or more to provoke, well, morbidly extensive periods of laughter on our side. How can we keep a meal down or go about our business, when they're making us laugh so much?


27 posted on 04/27/2014 6:54:16 PM PDT by familyop
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To: elhombrelibre; BurningOak

Who could hear or even remember that sound without laughing too much—lifelong civilians, perhaps?

Tupolev Tu-95MS Inflight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGgP_Hr8NrU


28 posted on 04/27/2014 7:02:52 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

“Those who push multiculturalism protest against defense.”

They are also convinced to be “at point” pushing gun control on others, and restricting the right of average Americans of self defense, while many of their top dogs have their own private security and an inside track to control “public safety” policies.

Gun control is more about long term view of oligarchs (publicly or non-publicly) that prefer the perceived security of having huddled serfs kept disarmed with rakes and shovels versus having firearms, and neutralizing political power, and the pushing of the urban culture.

Keeping the serfs disarmed has always been that way in countries ruled by tyrants and plutocrats.


29 posted on 04/29/2014 3:42:16 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: Strategy

One would think, Russia taking over half their country was already regarded as an act of war.

But i suppose the Ukrainian has wisely decided not to accept given their hopelessly inferior position.

The portability that Putin won’t push into Eastern Ukrainian is a bit insignificant compared to the knowledge that Ukraine military can no more stop Russia from taking over the whole of the country then they could stop Russia from taking over the Crimea.


30 posted on 04/29/2014 4:42:37 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: FreeReign

And yet calling Ukraine weak isn’t insulting? Nice try, Obama.


31 posted on 04/29/2014 4:46:37 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: jjsheridan5

I would agree, that is rather obviously what they are trying to do. Much as it is the only thing the Ukraine can do.

Its a bit of a tight rope, Ukraine wants Crimea back but can’t possibly win it back with out the military support of the West, and any attempt to take it without the west would likely result in losing the whole country, and certain defeat either way.


32 posted on 04/29/2014 4:50:41 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: elhombrelibre

“When the Russian tanks roll in and begin killing Ukrainian citizens in yet another Russian war of chauvinism against another smaller and weaker country, come back and remind us how you stood up for Putin’s bullying. Remind us that you were unwilling to see his military threats as anything more than childish horseplay.”

Until you can tell me that Russia is capable or inclined to wage a nuclear war against the western world i’m not going to risk starting one over one of Russia’s former Satellites with no defense pack with us.


33 posted on 04/29/2014 4:54:41 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: escapefromboston
And yet calling Ukraine weak isn’t insulting? Nice try, Obama.

What?

34 posted on 04/29/2014 5:25:31 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Huh?


35 posted on 04/29/2014 6:38:42 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston
Your post makes no sense.

Ping me when you make some.

36 posted on 04/29/2014 6:40:05 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Monorprise

Oh, you think nuclear wars are stopped by being silent. Criticism of Putin leads to nuclear war. Well, we’re in more danger of nuclear war than you fear because most people won’t shut up out of fear. Better build a fallout shelter and get your supplies. There’s going to be a nuclear war.


37 posted on 04/29/2014 10:15:19 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I have no problem with anything anyone says about anyone.
I simply don’t see any reason for US involvement in the Ukraine/Russia War.


38 posted on 04/30/2014 3:27:37 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: apoliticalone

Well said, and thanks.


39 posted on 04/30/2014 7:11:52 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

Me? I’d revoke all Russian visas for the US & kick ‘em out. Next, freeze all Ruskie bank accounts & refuse any Russians entry to the us. No more visas issued for Russians & then send the 82nd & 101st airborne to the eastern Ukraine.Send part of the Atlantic fleet to the Black Sea & have ‘em patrol off the Crimean, next send the rest of the fleet to do exercises through the Iceland-Greenland gap as close to Ruski land as possible. Send as many flights as we can close to Ruski airspace & withdraw our ambassador from Moscow. That would give mad vlad something to think about...


40 posted on 05/02/2014 12:21:46 AM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: Bulgaricus1

We can either deal w/ Putin now or we can deal w/ him later. See Hitler at Munich...


41 posted on 05/02/2014 12:23:55 AM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: Bulgaricus1

Well said. According to scant public news over the past few months, much of what you advised has been done.


42 posted on 05/02/2014 12:56:10 PM PDT by familyop
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To: Bulgaricus1

Very thought provoking. Thank you. I’m diving for my copy of Clancy’s “Red Storm Rising.” Though set in pre-fall time period, it covers WWIII as a conventional war, and the potential of ramping up with a tactical nuclear weapon. If I remember correctly, it began with a terrorist attack on a Soviet oil/energy facility.

Gwjack


43 posted on 05/05/2014 5:33:50 AM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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