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MILITIA TO BLM: ‘WE ARE PREPARED TO USE DEADLY FORCE’
Breitbart ^ | April 24, 2014 | By Bob Price

Posted on 04/25/2014 2:43:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

One of the militia groups who joined the effort to “protect” the Bundy family and their ranch from the armed Bureau of Land Management (BLM) rangers admitted they are prepared to use deadly force in self-defense in Nevada or Texas. Several militia groups have joined ranks to provide “protection” to keep the BLM from taking property from the Bundy Ranch, most of which operates on federally owned land.

Scott Shaw, co-founder of the Oklahoma Volunteer Militia says he is just an average American who goes to work every day and pays his taxes. He described his militia members as “every-day citizens ...We just have a strong conviction for freedom and liberty and upholding the Constitution. We are just here in case our court system fails us and we have to stand up to the federal government.”

In talking about the armed force of BLM rangers, Shaw described it as questionable. “If you’re there to get your money back that [Cliven Bundy] allegedly owes you, there are several ways you can do that in a court of law. You can put a lien on his property; you can put a lien on his cattle. If it truly was about getting back the back fees, why did [the BLM] take the cattle, or round the cattle up, which are the asset you’re going to sell--why would you kill several of those?” Recent reports revealed several cattle that were killed allegedly by the BLM during the standoff earlier this month.

Shaw affirmed that his militia members who deployed to Nevada were armed with a variety of military style weapons including AR-15s, AK-47s and others. They also include precision shooting firearms like deer hunting rifles and other military surplus items...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; blm; bundy; bundymilitia; bundyranch; captainparker1775; defenseofliberty; federalland; militia; nevada; oklahoma; rkba; secondamendment; texas; tyranny
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'“It’s similar to the military,” Shaw said regarding the rules of engagement. “We don’t fire unless fired upon. We’re not here to provoke anything. We’re just there to make sure the government doesn’t over-reach and that the government doesn’t overstep their bounds.” Shaw detailed the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge as precedents where the government took what many believe to be improper actions that led to the unnecessary deaths of American citizens.'
1 posted on 04/25/2014 2:43:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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2 posted on 04/25/2014 2:46:04 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Jim Robinson

3 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: tomkat

2nd Amendment is working!


4 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:26 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: Jim Robinson
Again, the issue is not necessarily whether BLM has ownership, but, if they do in fact own it,

on what constitutional grounds to they continue to own it?

If no valid ground for ownership, they must sell it back to the states or private citizens.

5 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Jim Robinson

When “law” becomes tyranny, resistance becomes duty.

Aim small, Y’all. We have your back.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:32 PM PDT by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON.)
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To: Flintlock

reid will have blood on his hands just to get his money.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 2:52:33 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Jim Robinson
My automatic reaction is to wince at this group's proclamation.

But after thinking about it some more I find it completely consistent with the words of the founders.

8 posted on 04/25/2014 2:52:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Jim Robinson

“In light of past worldwide atrocities committed by tyrants, though, to threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment. “

Dr. Ben Carson @ TownHall

http://townhall.com/columnists/drbencarson/2014/04/23/when-government-looks-more-like-foe-than-friend-n1827899/page/2


9 posted on 04/25/2014 2:53:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tomkat

Is futile.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 2:56:01 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Jim Robinson

Poking a hornet’s nest is dumb.

Poking it some more is plain stupid.

Kicking it open can be.. a really bad thing for somebody.


11 posted on 04/25/2014 2:58:15 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson

Let’s see. A diplomatic war with Russia, a Diplomatic war with China and insurrection at home.

1000 day’s may be too much.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 2:58:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Jim Robinson

Regardless of what Beck or Hannity say, fight fire with fire!


13 posted on 04/25/2014 2:59:31 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: chiefqc
reid will have blood on his hands just to get his money.

As he's clutching his thoracic triangle.
14 posted on 04/25/2014 3:00:21 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Why is Jon Corzine a free man?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Throw tortoises at the BLM. Use a catapult and rain tortoises down on their heads. Send boxes of tortoises via FedEX to BLM forts.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 3:04:48 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Jim Robinson

No government at gunpoint!


16 posted on 04/25/2014 3:06:55 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: entropy12

Now you know why Obummer and his thugs want to throw out the 2nd Amendment and revised the constitution.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 3:07:21 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: Usagi_yo

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


18 posted on 04/25/2014 3:09:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Jim Robinson

19 posted on 04/25/2014 3:10:02 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Jim Robinson
'“It’s similar to the military,” Shaw said regarding the rules of engagement. “We don’t fire unless fired upon. We’re not here to provoke anything. We’re just there to make sure the government doesn’t over-reach and that the government doesn’t overstep their bounds.” Shaw detailed the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge as precedents where the government took what many believe to be improper actions that led to the unnecessary deaths of American citizens.'

Our Founders would whole heatedly support this position. They rose up and fought against tyranny.

It is correct to emphasize that they will NOT fire unless fired upon. Let the people see the true tyrants -- those in government.

20 posted on 04/25/2014 3:11:02 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Jim Robinson
Shaw affirmed that his militia members who deployed to Nevada were armed with a variety of military style weapons including AR-15s, AK-47s and others. They also include precision shooting firearms like deer hunting rifles and other military surplus items...

Just another dumb statement....IMO. I have a couple deer rifles that will totally out shoot...any military style rifle..

Okay...rant off.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 3:12:38 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Bushbacker1
F’ Beck and Vannity. I am so done with both of them Vannity couldn't wait to throw Bundy under the bus.
22 posted on 04/25/2014 3:14:01 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Osage Orange
Different tools for different things. Most times I will take a bolt action rifle. There was a time in SE Asia when I would of loved to be able to hold two M2’s and never run out of ammo.
23 posted on 04/25/2014 3:16:27 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Jim Robinson; x1stcav
It must be made a sacred maxim, that the militia obey the executive power, which represents the whole people, in the execution of laws. To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defence, or by partial orders of towns, counties, or districts of a state, is to demolish every institution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man — it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed, and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.

- John Adams (1787)


24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:17:47 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: x1stcav

NO BLOOD FOR REID!


25 posted on 04/25/2014 3:19:02 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: mad_as_he$$
F’ Beck and Vannity. I am so done with both of them Vannity couldn't wait to throw Bundy under the bus.

They are weak, contemptible men. Their time has passed.

We need men with a Warrior mindset who will without hesitation call the tyrants in government what they are -- Marxists.

We need men like William Wallace.

If you have seen Braveheart you will recognize Beck and Hannity -- they are Longshank's girly son.

26 posted on 04/25/2014 3:20:03 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Flintlock

http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2014/04/22/it-really-is-about-how-the-west-was-won/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I found this local article backing Bundy, seems she grew up on a ranch and understands the water issue.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 3:23:51 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Jim Robinson

“they are prepared to use deadly force “

The BLM used “deadly force” in killing Bundy’s cattle, but was it reasonable under the circumstances?

Anyone actually prepared to defend himself or herself, and their family, is prepared to use reasonable force under the circumstances—which may include deadly force. So what Shaw is saying isn’t really that extraordinary.

Of course DUmpster Divers—and even a few here—will fluster: “I swan! Oh my goodness gracious, me oh my—`Deadly force’! That’s really extreme, maybe even racist, Heavens to Murgatroyd—where are my smelling salts!?”


28 posted on 04/25/2014 3:24:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Jim Robinson; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; everyone

29 posted on 04/25/2014 3:24:51 PM PDT by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: chiefqc

His own, I hope.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 3:26:46 PM PDT by SgtHooper (I lost my tag!)
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To: First_Salute

‘To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defence, or by partial orders of towns, counties, or districts of a state,’

I guess that settles it?


31 posted on 04/25/2014 3:29:25 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: sergeantdave

Say remember the scene in “Wanted” with Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy with the rats, watches and peanut butter. Hilarity ensues anytime rats and peanut butter mix.


32 posted on 04/25/2014 3:32:22 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas (“The first casualty of mainstream news is the truth.”)
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To: tumblindice
“I swan!"

Not wishing to derail the thread, I have to mention as an aside that I got a kick out of "I swan!". It's an interesting idiom, primarily used in the South. I only occasionally hear it nowadays but in my younger days, it was used more frequently, along with "play pretty". Those regionalisms do take me back to what I think was a better time in America.

33 posted on 04/25/2014 3:35:35 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: PapaNew

Historical facts about the ownership of the land in question

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848 - Article II section 2 treaty) transfer ownership of the land from Mexico to the US

Nevada admitted as a state to the union (1864). Congress requires that the state ceded control of “unappropriated public lands” to the US Government. Nevada includes in their constitution this concession to the government.

The lands are part of what is called the Lake Mead National Recreation area and includes a number of buildings including dock-yards, and other needful buildings as listed in Article I section 8 under the enumerated powers of Congress.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 3:37:12 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: re_nortex

My dad always said well I swannee and sometimes said well I declare and my mother told me all the time to play pretty. I still grew up a total hellion. Now I drive my husband nutty, if he doesn’t answer or acknowledge what I have said to him I will pummel with, “say” (from my mother). Like I said I grew up a hellion.


35 posted on 04/25/2014 3:40:33 PM PDT by Cats Pajamas (“The first casualty of mainstream news is the truth.”)
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To: taxcontrol
Appreciate the input.

Article I Section 8 - well you're probably referring to the commerce clause which has become blank check for the feds. But I don't buy that becasue the Constitution in no way, shape, or form gives the feds a blank check.

So I think it would be worth the states to go through all these federal lands and get specific constitutional grounds for the feds continued ownership. I think the feds own way too much land.

36 posted on 04/25/2014 3:52:43 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: sergeantdave

LOL The Bundys do have some dead cows now that they could catapult at any attackers.


37 posted on 04/25/2014 3:55:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: First_Salute
That is a wise and excellent statement until the Executive becomes the most
lawless entity in the land doing more than any other to lay the law prostrate.
38 posted on 04/25/2014 4:01:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I've had a few bolt actions.... A couple years ago I had a Model 70 bolt action Winchester .270...that was a fine gun. Got a Model 88 Winchester lever action .308 now...Love it.

Both guns fine....shooting rifles.

I'm a bit torn on what I like best in caliber....308. .270. 7 mag, 300 mag...I've shot them all...and like them all. What do you like,,and why?

39 posted on 04/25/2014 4:07:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Bushbacker1
Regardless of what Beck or Hannity say, fight fire with fire!

Beck, Hannity, now Megan are fools. Don't know where O'Rielly stand since I can't listen to this fool. America is corrupt beyond belief since they had no right to hold on to the land once the Southwest States were accepted in the Union. The Federal Government is a communists organized institution and it is sad it has gone so far in hell.

40 posted on 04/25/2014 4:10:38 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Osage Orange

Which one will penetrate a ballistic vest best?


41 posted on 04/25/2014 4:13:04 PM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: First_Salute

I believe Adams was warning against using the 2nd Amendment to foment anarchy. I agree with him.


42 posted on 04/25/2014 4:13:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: taxcontrol

The Resolution of 1780, “the federal trust respecting public lands obligated the united States to extinguish both their governmental jurisdiction and their title to land that achieved statehood.”

In the Constitutional Convention of 1787, The Charter of Liberty contained these words, “The new Federal Government is an agent serving the states.”, “The delegated powers are few and defined”, “All powers not listed are retained by the states or the people”, “The Resolution of 1780 formed the basis upon which Congress was required to dispose of territorial and public lands”, “All laws shall be made by the Congress of the United States”. (not agency bureaucrats!)

That should be sufficient for you to determine who all public lands belong to, hint - NOT the Federal Government!

Articles of Confederation, Article VI, clause 1 All engagements entered into before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. In Article IX “... no State shall be deprived of territory for the benefit of the United States.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3148136/posts?page=15#15


43 posted on 04/25/2014 4:15:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Bushbacker1
Beck and Hannity both sort of put themselves out of the game yesterday. Both of the fools went off prematurely and sold Bundy down the "progressive river".

Today they both look like useful idiots as does Rand Paul.

All three of them deserve whatever happens to them for their cave to the left.

I've been real sick of the three of them for quite awhile.

44 posted on 04/25/2014 4:17:52 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: Logical me

0’Reilly and Bernie Goldberg piled on along with all the rest of them. Charles Krauthammer made a complete fool of himself in particular. On Special Report he condemned “Bundy’s words” and in the next hour on On The Record he made the exact same points while discussing the subject of the SCOTUS decision on Affirmative Action that Bundy had in his comments. No substantive difference whatsoever but Krauthammer said it in a Harvard dialect.


45 posted on 04/25/2014 4:17:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Osage Orange

.30-06. Tried and true.


46 posted on 04/25/2014 4:18:11 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: entropy12

“2nd Amendment is working!”

Very good point.

This is why we have it.


47 posted on 04/25/2014 4:18:46 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: x1stcav

In our country, we are blessed with the principle that martial power and the force of law are both under the authority of a duly-elected civilian authority.

Prior to the American Revolution, we had the Continental Congress *and* Committees of Safety -— Massachussetts had the first Committee of Safety, and that committee had command of the militia.

George Washington was *not* chosen by some “militia-like club” to be head of the forces around Boston in 1775; he was chosen by the Continental Congress.

Currently, there is no Continental Congress. There is no duly-elected Committee of Safety for the State of Nevada; and again, none for the county of the Bundy Ranch.

The county of the Bundy Ranch has also not let it be known, that its existing duly-elected commission is standing up in stead of the required Committee of Safety.

So, at the moment, there is no Constitutional civilian authority in charge of the assembly of armed men and some women ... re the situation at the Bundy Ranch; except, that they may be adhering (we sure hope) to the authority of the county sheriff (in which case, they may be acting as deputies).

Or, what is developing there, is a Shays Rebellion that will be put down, including the loss of Arms of the participants *and* supporters ... and some of their property, too, given the current nationalizing-socialist police-state climate and thereof, much greater martial power.

On the chance that another confrontation occurs, what are the preparations by the armed assembly, in order to at least provide proper facilities and support in the event of some success?

What shall the rebels do, if they encounter numbers of wounded and/or captured of the national agencies that descend upon the place? To whom will they efficiently hand over the captives -— lawfully following the principle of due process -— and where will the dead and wounded be taken?

Without the support of the people of the county’s duly-elected civilian authority, and without the same of the State of Nevada, there will just be a lot of chaos, tragedy, and unhappiness, and improper detention of captives.

A stunning victory by the rebels, might gain a sudden self-realization among a majority of the people of Nevada, that they actually do want to stand up against the national government’s tyranny ... but figure the odds, and figure *that, before* somebody without civilian authority orders the rebels into action.

The rebels have apparently paid little attention to the basic necessity, that there be a duly-elected civilian authority with overall command over them.

By the way, they *are* rebels, unless they are acting as deputies for the moment, under the authority of the county sheriff.

They are not presently in the Nevada militia, because there is only 1 militia per state and 1 per territory and 1 per the District of Columbia (if it chooses) of our United States. The duty of our militia, is to their respective states, territories, and DC (again, if DC chooses).

The term, militia, is not the same as “the militias” of other countries; not exactly the same as once existed in England.

Because, in our country, we individually have the right to keep and bear Arms; but it is when mustered, we form military units of organization and potentially may exercise martial power. We have the right to drill and train ... but not to exercise martial power without the authority to act so, from our duly-elected civilian authority.

In that way, the people know they are safe, the militia are answerable to civilian authority, instead of “going off half-cocked.”

Our militia, are under the duly-elected civilian authority of each state (or territory), and they have a lot of responsibilities to the people of their respective commands.

The body of Armed men in Nevada at the Bundy Ranch, are *not* militia; rather, they are a gun club. They *could be* militia, but that only happens under the duly-elected authority of the citizens of Nevada, local or state.


48 posted on 04/25/2014 4:23:21 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: rcofdayton

Ha!! I don’t know...but do they where ballistic head gear?


49 posted on 04/25/2014 4:31:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: skeeter
It seems to me that the Federal Government is increasingly the anarchists.
50 posted on 04/25/2014 4:31:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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