Posted on 04/25/2014 10:26:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
United Negro College Fund - "History Lesson" (PSA, 1981)
I'd like to think that the decendents of the slaves are much better of both physically and mentally than their slave ancestors were. But when you consider substance abuse issues, and that prisons have a disproportionately high number of blacks, and bored black welfare families sitting on porches, then you begin to wonder if blacks are now slaves to their own minds.
And then blacks go to college and get indoctrinated by liberals. sigh :^(
He can’t win, period. HE shifted the debate - and the debate is now about racism and government handouts and slavery - not a thing about government overreach and the heavy-handed actions of the BLM. Discussions of slavery and government handouts DO NOT further Bundy’s cause...the fight is slipping away from Bundy, and he’s the one that provided the Crisco.
He’s done, right when the world was focused on his plight he willingly diverted the attention. VERY stupid move.
What facts? The fact that Cliven Bundy almost had his war won, and had created a groundswell that had the potential of cutting Leviathan down to size...and then he stupidly shifted the focus, and threw away his advantage and the cause in one stupid “look at how smart I am” moment? That fact?
Where is the conversation now? It isn’t on property rights or eminent domain or government overreach. It’s on the topics of slavery, government handouts and racism - and even you are saying we need to have this conversation! Just a few days ago everyone was saying we needed to put a stop to the arrogant, tyrannical actions of the feds.
Cliven “Smooth Move” Bundy, you’re brilliant!
Not everything needs saying, even if they are true. He didn’t need to say it in the first place, his fight was moving forward, he was going to win. The statement had nothing to do with his case or his cause. Both have been sidetracked now.
If ya ever get into public life, don't ever make a statement like that regarding black folk. The race industry will bury you.
And how does that help his cause? You know, that cause about the BLM taking his grazing rights, shooting his cows, tazing his daughter and threatening his family and friends with heavy weapons? Does anybody remember that anymore? No? Because everyone is running screaming that Bundy is a racist or No he’s not!
Bundy just lost, and he lost because of something he said that didn’t need to be said, and had exactly zero chance of helping.
There is one big difference - That was the battle Star Parker was fighting. If Star Parker was in the middle of the battle against government’s crippling charity, and at a press conference she said - “and another thing about Nevada ranchers...” - would that help or hinder her cause.
Effective people understand the fight, understand when their winning, and stay focused on the fight until they win. Ineffective people change subjects just when the battle is breaking their way. Bundy has proven himself ineffective.
It clearly will NOT help his cause. I agree with that. The politicians, as one would expect, are already heading for the hills and the tall grass.
For telling it like it is, as one would expect, Bundy will be strung out and hung in the court of public opinion, turned into a pariah in the good ole Alinsky fashion.
Agreed. Bundy should have kept his mouth shut, except to further his cause against the land grab by the Fed gov.
All else is fodder for the Lame Stream Media and Progressive a-holes to turn it into the circus they have and twist it into something it shouldn’t ever be.
His “telling it like it is” was not only unnecessary, it was without value or purpose. Wisdom is often spoken in silence.
I think he nailed it to a tee.
Plantation slavery is not much worse than government dependency.
However, I do agree: Bundy is toast.
True, he nailed it to a tee. But suppose Martin Luther, after he nailed his treatise, or whatever it was called, on the church door, suppose he nailed another letter on the fence that said: “Oh yeah, about Henry VIII of England, he is a perverted wanker and he tries to make the scripture fit his own lustful desires. He is bedding all manner of women, young and old. He should be scorned.”
He would be exactly right - but he would have diminished the power of his cause, and likely derailed it.
I guess you could say I’m more sick of the YOU OWE ME group than the Leave Me Alone group.
Bundy is a weird case for sure - honestly I don’t totally understand the right and wrong of it but I can’t help but sympathize with him and the cowboys v. the over the frequently brutal BLM and Harry Reid.
Henry VIII’s concerns were more than just carnal lust. As a monarch, he could have all of the mistresses he wanted. And he did.
Henry VIII was also concerned about dynastic succession. Catherine of Aragon could not bear him a surviving male heir. The Pope, a virtual prisoner, of Queen Catherine’s nephew, the Holy Roman Emperor refused to grant him a divorce even though Catherine had been previously married to Henry’s older brother, Arthur.
“I guess you could say I’m more sick of the YOU OWE ME group”
Of which Bundy is a member.
So what does he think we should give him other than letting his cows graze?
Some articles I’ve read indicate that some of this land is his and some of it is public. From what I knew he had to pay fees to Nevada until Clinton changed the rules and Bundy objected to the way the fees were used for federal expenses instead of state and so he quit paying. My understanding is the BLM has driven about 50 other ranchers out of business and one has to suspect there are ulterior motives that will benefit those such as Harry Reid.
Maybe Bundy isn’t 100% right, but it’s hard (for me at least) not to see his point. It was really rich to hear Reid claim that Bundy can’t just pick and choose the laws he wants to obey. You’d have thought he was talking to Obama.
Your response had nothing to do with the point. Who cares if he was concerned about dynastic succession or only lust? The point was - to bring us back to the point - if Luther had run off on that tangent, it would likely have set his cause back decades.
Just like this whole thread, prompted by Bundy’s stupid comments, has set back the cause of fighting government overreach.
Bundy most certainly is not part of that group. Bundy and his family had established their grazing easement years before the state handed the property over to the BLM. He owned the easement, he owned the right to graze that land - regardless of who owned the land. A grazing easement is like any other easement, it remains in place regardless of who owns the land or how often it has been sold.
Furthermore, the BLM charged him a management fee to manage the forage - as managers of something he owned, they operated at HIS will. However, he was required to sign a paper reducing the number of grazing livestock by 90% - remember, he owned the grass and all the forage, and his manager was telling him to reduce the numbers by 90% because of a tortoise (which has been doing better with cattle there). He refused to sign the reduction agreement, and the BLM refused to accept payment. Bundy continued to pay the county and the state their fees/taxes, but the BLM would not accept Bundy’s payment.
So please explain how this puts Bundy in the YOU OWE ME group? Suppose somebody robbed your home, you knew who it was and went to them to demand redress...would that put you in the YOU OWE ME group?
Bundy is in the right, regardless of the court decisions. He had a terrible lawyer, and argued the wrong point...much like this latest debacle about slavery and handouts.
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