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Posted on 04/20/2014 2:14:01 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
There is more to the ruling than the link you referenced.
I just found this, “ That by these articles of the compact, the land under the navigable waters, and the public domain above high water, were alike reserved to the United States, and alike subject to be sold by them; and to give any other construction to these compacts, would be to yield up to Alabama, and the other new states, all the public lands within their limits.” and am not done. Link:http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Pollard_v._Hagan/Opinion_of_the_Court
Not that I would question google’s version of the case, but revisionist history is prevalent in our society, for the good of the people of course.
Martin Armstrong is pretty solid on history, not that anyone is perfect. I would love to see some Lawyers dive into this.
Have to do more research at a later date. Gotta go finish a roof before the rain comes.
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I think it’s pretty clear that the “public lands” there are referring to the sort of public lands addressed in the case. That is, those that are public by nature of their function (e.g., involving waterways).
And, I didn’t link to “Google’s version of the case”, the source is a constitutional law book that Google has scanned.
I don’t think you really need to put too much time into digging too much deeper, given that the SC has clearly upheld the federal ownership of such lands in case after case.
Which is a legal fallacy because
1)the provision that enumerates federal jurisdiction was never repealed.
2) The 14th Amendment's intent was to Naturalize the freed slaves (just as the Founders did for themselves with the grandfather clause), and
3)Any legal and political disabilities that MAY have imposed by the fourteenth amendment of the Constitution of the United States SHOULD it have had the authority to operate in such a manner have already been removed according to multiple bills.
May 3,1872
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llhb&fileName=042/llhb042.db&recNum=9319
December 9, 1872
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llhb&fileName=042/llhb042.db&recNum=11044
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There are citizens of the United States...... then there are Citizens of some one of them.
You are right....there are reasons so much of the land in western states are owned by the feds.
That map totally freaked me out,
then I saw that North is at about 10 o’clock!
That does not get around Art 1 section 8 para 17, which controls as its both specific over the general and Nevada is a state not a territory.
Please remember that the Supreme Court has reversed more than 150 of earlier Supreme Court decisions on natural law. Is that what you would consider as someone being consistent and reliable in interpreting the Constitution?
The Resolution of 1780, "the federal trust respecting public lands obligated the united States to extinguish both their governmental jurisdiction and their title to land that achieved statehood."
In the Constitutional Convention of 1787, The Charter of Liberty contained these words, "The new Federal Government is an agent serving the states.", "The delegated powers are few and defined", "All powers not listed are retained by the states or the people", "The Resolution of 1780 formed the basis upon which Congress was required to dispose of territorial and public lands", "All laws shall be made by the Congress of the United States". (not agency bureaucrats!)
That should be sufficient for you to determine who all public lands belong to, hint - NOT the Federal Government!
"The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, it's meaning does not alter. That which it meant when adopted. it means now". So said the Supreme Court in South Carolina v United States in 1905
Articles of Confederation, Article VI, clause 1 All engagements entered into before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. In Article IX "... no State shall be deprived of territory for the benefit of the United States."
Formation of a "more perfect union" does not absolve that union of prior engagements, including those obligations establish by the resolution of 1780 and the Articles of Confederation.
Our government system is established by compact, not between the Government and the State Governments but between the States as Sovereign Communities. By James Madison 1821 (This is what make the County Sheriffs the highest law enforcement officer in that County and gives him/her the authority to tell the BLM, the FBI or any other Federal Agency to get out of the County or they will be arrested and jailed.)
What I have written here is but a short piece of the process that the Founder went through to establish our Constitution and system of government.
Please view these videos and see if they don't change your mind about whether or not Cliven Bundy is in the wrong by defying the BLM.
1of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference
2of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference
3of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference
Here's one that shows why the Sheriff of Clark County is duty bound to keep the BLM and all Federal agents from arresting Cliven Bundy.
Check out this interview from the ranch... it’s great...
>>given that the SC has clearly upheld the federal ownership of such lands in case after case.<<
What other adjudication would you expect from them?
This entire thread is premised on the SC supposedly at some point having said otherwise. I merely pointed out that
a) that wasn’t the case in this case, and
b) that wasn’t the case in other SC cases either.
Great article. I never knew the history of Nevada, but I’m going to get more information now.
Fremont was the first Republican presidential nominee in 1856.
So if the feds retained all the lands in the state, how could a city like Las Vegas or Reno get built up and thrive the way they have? Surely a lot of free enterprise there that could mot thrive unless private interests were allowed to own and control the real estate.
For some reason they are afraid to go for the truth. Maybe they like their lifetime appointment a little too much.
That’s the way they did it for TV. It’s one of those things that raised some eyebrows (like Sgt. Saunders’ non-ETO camo helmet cover).
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* The EPA assigns one million acres to previous owners in Wyoming.
* The BLM Rustles cattle in Nevada.
* Now the USFS Rustles Cattle in New Mexico.
What will Speaker Boehner do now to punish these lawless Federal Bureaus?
BTW, have y’all noticed that Obama is very effectively using these lawless events by his Bureaus to distract from the NSA, Benghazi, IRS and Obamacare Scandals?
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Is the modern day equivalent of the KKK the Bureau of Feudal Land Management, (BFLM) ?
If so, then Feudal Lord Reid would then be “The Grand Dragon of the BFLM.”
Feudal Lord Reid’s Rustlers are hired guns, who are furious but not fast, which also applies to their multimillionaire Leader: Feudal Lord Reid.
With the past Democrat-based KKK, and now the present Democrat-controlled BFLM, ethics be damned, as abject fear is the main goal of both of these Medieval Outlaw Gangs, past and present.
“Ethics” will be justified later by Liberals who will write the ‘revised” PC History of these times, past and present; of powerful men with outlaw hatred toward free people in America, Black or White, poor or rich.
The Jackboot Heel of Democat Tyranny is now upon us, again !
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