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Sen. John McCain: Send Weapons To Ukraine
Business Insider (Australia) ^ | 4/9/2014 | Staff

Posted on 04/09/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

[Caption:] U.S. Senator John McCain, center, speaks as Democratic Senator from the state of Connecticut, Chris Murphy, second left, and Opposition leader Oleh Tyahnybok [All Ukrainian Union "Svoboda" leader], stand around him during a Pro-European Union rally in Independence Square in Kiev, Ukraine, Sunday, Dec. 15, 2013.

Sen. John McCain (R. Ariz.) advocated for sending arms to Ukraine Tuesday [link at URL] on Fox News.

McCain acknowledged the arms would not likely enable Ukraine to defeat the Russians in open war, but emphasized it could improve the Ukrainian military's morale and ensure that the Russians would have "a real fight on their hands" if they invaded further.

Host Neil Cavuto asked McCain if the Europeans should be the ones to step up and assist Ukraine considering their position "in the neighborhood" and interests with respect to Russian energy.

"We always want the Europeans to man up," McCain said, "but it's the United States of America that leads. If we're not going to do anything, how the hell do you expect the Europeans to do something on their own? We are not doing anything, so why should they? The United States has got to lead."

McCain also criticised President Obama for not only failing to lead in Ukraine, but shying away from assisting the Free Syrian Army [link at URL].

Full Interview: [Fox News/Cavuto video link (via YouTube) at URL]

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Who were those Syrian rebels that McCain was photographed with last year?

And why is McCain and Chris Murphy on stage with (of all people) Oleh Tyhanybok of "Svoboda"?

Putin is a thug, and we all know this... but send weapons over there? Let Europe do if if they so desire. Right?

What would have happened if we had armed Syrian rebels? Whose hands might they have ended up in?

Whose hands might arms end up in if we send them to Ukraine?

Svoboda? Right Sector? Others not any better than they?

1 posted on 04/09/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Lets just send McCain.


2 posted on 04/09/2014 8:05:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

or kill the start Treaty


3 posted on 04/09/2014 8:05:50 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Just send Juan McLame in his Depends with a knife.


4 posted on 04/09/2014 8:05:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If we send weapons to the Ukraine, don’t be surprised if Russian equipment ends up in the hands of Atzlan seperatists.

Blow back sucks.


5 posted on 04/09/2014 8:05:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Let’s send Congress to Ukraine.


6 posted on 04/09/2014 8:07:21 AM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: redgolum

Yes. It is actually a suspended threat that would do far more mischief to us than pawn grabbing former Soviet territories for missile bases will do to the Russian Federation.


7 posted on 04/09/2014 8:08:30 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: MrEdd

Let’s send Congress to Ukraine.

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The Ukraine might be filled with Communists, Nazis and poofs, but they have done nothing to deserve that severe a fate.


8 posted on 04/09/2014 8:09:40 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: cripplecreek

He can take Meghan with him.


9 posted on 04/09/2014 8:10:32 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: cripplecreek

Great idea.


10 posted on 04/09/2014 8:11:11 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: TADSLOS

lol


11 posted on 04/09/2014 8:11:34 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

A weaker than weak Europe ultimately leads to where we are now. A mess with thug Putin at the helm and the Kosovo referendum still biting.

It could very well have been a huge mistake if we had armed Syrian rebels. Who knows where the weapons would have ended up in Syria. Can anyone say “fast and furious”?


12 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:11 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: cripplecreek

Isn’t the Logan Act supposed to stop this? Damned old meddling fool!


13 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:38 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Considering McCain’s overt actions supporting AlQaida in Syria and neo-Nazis in Kiev, perhaps McCain could be charged with crimes against humanity by the international court. It would be a fitting end to his malignant career.


14 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:47 AM PDT by grania
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To: Psalm 144

Ouch.


15 posted on 04/09/2014 8:12:54 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah McCain how much did one of your military contractors donors just pay you to suggest that?


16 posted on 04/09/2014 8:13:09 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No problem McQueeg, just climb on the top of your chariot.


17 posted on 04/09/2014 8:13:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Geeze - this guy really wants to play the part of Slim Pickens in real life.
Let's just give him his missile to ride into the Ukraine/Russian border - just make sure it is a dud. A two-fer, makes him happy, makes us happy (hopefully he just lands in an open field).
18 posted on 04/09/2014 8:13:42 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
Re: 17

You win.

19 posted on 04/09/2014 8:14:14 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: grania

Remember when Rand Paul ripped into McCain over those pics of McCain in Syria? Did McCain ever get in any hot water over that? Nope. Stood next to Oleh - and no trouble over that, either.


20 posted on 04/09/2014 8:14:47 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: El Cid; Grampa Dave

#19 meant for Grampa Dave


21 posted on 04/09/2014 8:15:31 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

Agreed.


22 posted on 04/09/2014 8:15:36 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: redgolum
If we send weapons to the Ukraine, don’t be surprised if Russian equipment ends up in the hands of Atzlan seperatists.

Yep. Ukraine is not just Russia's back yard, it's their back porch.

23 posted on 04/09/2014 8:15:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
McCain also criticised President Obama for not only failing to lead in Ukraine, but shying away from assisting the Free Syrian Army

Yeah, send more of our boys (and women) to die for noting.

Somebody needs to tell McCain you lost. You'll never be president. So stop acting like one.

24 posted on 04/09/2014 8:16:19 AM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: grania

perhaps McCain could be charged with crimes against humanity by the international court.

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That will never happen when the IC is just such a transnational meddler and provocateur as McCain.


25 posted on 04/09/2014 8:16:57 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
We are not doing anything, so why should they?

I would turn it around. They're not willing to do anything so why should we?

I guess John just isn't happy without a war or two going on.

26 posted on 04/09/2014 8:17:34 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: McGruff

I still can’t get over that pic of him standing next to Oleh. Of all people...

And those pics of him in Syria - I didn’t think it could get any worse than that.


27 posted on 04/09/2014 8:18:41 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: McGruff

Somebody needs to tell McCain you lost. You’ll never be president. So stop acting like one.

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Also that he had his shot at racking up kill points. The quarter ran out on his pinball game a while ago.


28 posted on 04/09/2014 8:19:03 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: DoodleDawg

I wondered the exact same thing.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 8:19:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

McCain, one of Americas remaining fighter Aces. He is responsible for the loss of 5 aircraft, unfortunately all were American. Does that count?


30 posted on 04/09/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What a jerk.
Advocates gun control for Americans and wants to give guns to Ukraine.


31 posted on 04/09/2014 8:38:35 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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Well, I'm just speechless.

McCain needs to remain speechless and hold his opinions quiet and only within Congregational meetings so that a coherent foreign policy can be devised.

Going rogue has gotten very old and unproductive, Senator McCain.

Publicly, go silent. You won't look like such a fool and show enemies the chasm in this president's foreign policy (for whatever THAT is).

32 posted on 04/09/2014 8:44:16 AM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m so glad I voted against this guy in the Presidential election. Can you imagine what would have happened had he won?

Obama’s dismantling of America is intentional, and in the open.

McCain?


33 posted on 04/09/2014 8:50:29 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: McGruff
"Somebody needs to tell McCain you lost. You'll never be president. So stop acting like one."

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Agree wholeheartedly, McGruff. McCain further muddles an already muddled Obama foreign affair policy.

34 posted on 04/09/2014 8:52:07 AM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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"And those pics of him in Syria - I didn’t think it could get any worse than that."

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Reminds me of Jane Fonda in 'Nam.

35 posted on 04/09/2014 8:54:20 AM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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>Somebody needs to tell McCain you lost.<

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The only way to do that is for AZ to jerk him off the political stage.


36 posted on 04/09/2014 8:55:02 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Can’t we just send McCain there? And leave him?


37 posted on 04/09/2014 8:56:17 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: cripplecreek

There’s two hundred armed federal officers surrounding a cattle rancher in Nevada. Send them to Ukraine and let them confront someone their own size.


38 posted on 04/09/2014 8:56:50 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Look Up McCain and song bird.

He was almost as much a traitor as kerry.


39 posted on 04/09/2014 8:59:39 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Just send McCain....


40 posted on 04/09/2014 9:06:45 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Send McCain to the Ukraine, and don’t let him come back.


41 posted on 04/09/2014 9:09:13 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Senility and stupidity should be cause to remove someone from their Senate seat. Do the people of AZ not understand that this man has lost his marbles?


42 posted on 04/09/2014 9:11:45 AM PDT by soycd
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And why is McCain and Chris Murphy on stage with (of all people) Oleh Tyhanybok of "Svoboda"?

FDR and Churchill not only stood next to Stalin, they also sent substantial amounts of material aid to Uncle Joe, the mass murderer, who made WWII possible via the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The problem with the Soviet Union was only partly that it was Communist. The primary issue was Russian imperialism. Russia simply refused to stay within its already massive borders, built over centuries of brutal armed conquests, complete with mass killings, and attempted to forge a global empire via a nifty ideology that provided all the excuses it needed. In order to slow the down the progress of the centuries-old Russian zeal for universal empire, cooperating with a right-wing Ukrainian leader whose body count might add up to the hundreds, if you believe Pravda Russia Today, is small potatoes.

43 posted on 04/09/2014 9:16:58 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Russia and Syria helped kill our soldiers in Iraq. Now we’re going to make them pay for it. Die Russian scum!


44 posted on 04/09/2014 9:49:22 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

45 posted on 04/09/2014 9:50:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Zhang Fei; All
Problem is, John McCain had some serious love for the KLA, then was pictured with some not-so-good Syrians last year, and now pic’d standing next to a Svoboda leader... Three in a row - and all rotten.

So, FDR and Churchill stood next to Stalin. McCain is two ahead of them.

“cooperating with a right-wing [actually left wing] Ukrainian leader whose body count might add up to the hundreds...is small potatoes”

To that quote I say: Relativism by any other name is still the same.

as to RT (Russia Today): they were the first news outlet in the world to break the news that a U.S. aircraft carrier was heading to off the coast of Syria back when Obama was “considering.” bombing Assad's regime. Slowly, others (even “western” media outlets) followed in their reporting of this.

RT has also been the first to break other news pieces. Don't be so quick to write them off. Sure, verify first, but they are pretty good at digging up stuff that Western media outlets just won't touch. But they also post junk too, so, as I said, verify first. They may be somewhat “Pravda” but not whole cloth.

MSNBC and CNN are America's “Pravda,” and are actually worse than RT.

46 posted on 04/09/2014 9:57:19 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

American politicians like McCain could care less about America’s security, but they’re passionate about the Ukraine and Syria.
FUJM


47 posted on 04/09/2014 9:58:39 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Send them oil and LNG. Europe, too.


48 posted on 04/09/2014 10:04:58 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
This sort of thing is so painfully amateurish that I wish I didn't have to read it. It doesn't take a military genius to ask a couple of basic questions: to whom will we give these weapons and what are they expected to accomplish with them? If you can't answer those, the action is not only irresponsible and likely futile, but is incapable of affecting Russian policy, which is, after all, the point.

Just shut up, John. Please.

49 posted on 04/09/2014 10:06:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
To that quote I say: Relativism by any other name is still the same.

The world we live in is populated by imperfect people. That's why we helped Russians hold off the Germans by supplying them and opening a second front in North Africa, Southern Europe and then Western Europe. Both were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions but we ended up backing the lesser of two evils, despite the Russian record of genocide under both the Bolsheviks and the Romanovs. The KLA, the Syrian rebels and the Ukrainian right aren't angels, but neither are their adversaries. Even if you add all of the deaths on both sides in the conflicts they fought, the total doesn't hold a candle to the bloodshed inflicted by Russia on the world.

In the Ukrainian context, it's obvious that Ukraine is a less-developed country with no ambition or chance of ever conquering the world. Russia is precisely the kind of world-conquering power that needs to have its territorial goals kept in check before it acquires enough population and resources to become unstoppable.

50 posted on 04/09/2014 10:12:27 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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