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Conservative Merkel ally criticizes German foreign minister over Russia
Reuters ^ | Apr 8, 2014

Posted on 04/08/2014 12:20:55 PM PDT by McGruff

A senior Christian Democrat criticized German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier's stance on Ukraine and Russia in a signal of a possible rift appearing within Chancellor Angela Merkel's right-left coalition over relations with Moscow.

Conservative leader Merkel and Steinmeier, who is a senior member of the Social Democrats (SPD), have been at pains to stress how closely they are coordinating on policy since the Ukraine crisis began, despite the traditionally warmer ties to Moscow maintained by the leftist SPD.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; christiandemocrat; crimea; europeanunion; germany; johnkerry; kerry; merkel; nato; obama; obamao; poland; russia; socialdemocrats; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Germans going wobbly on us now?
1 posted on 04/08/2014 12:20:55 PM PDT by McGruff
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Oh my. Who's going to lead now?

2 posted on 04/08/2014 12:22:56 PM PDT by McGruff (Want to hurt Mozilla? Don't use Firefox's search bar. That is their money maker.)
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To: McGruff

If by “us,” you mean the Russians . . . did you read the article?


3 posted on 04/08/2014 12:23:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff
Not really. Did you see this part?

"it was Russia and not the EU that forced Ukraine into such a choice," Schockenhoff told Reuters ahead of a speech he is due to give on Wednesday in which he will criticize elements of Germany's stance."

Basically, he's telling the Socialist - SPD - too soft of a stand. Schockenhoff also criticizes Socialist Steinmeier's promise that Ukraine could never enter NATO.

4 posted on 04/08/2014 12:27:38 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Clearly, he did not. Or possibly he did and he doesn’t understand it.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 12:28:17 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Or a Freudian slip, or deliberate disinfo.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 12:29:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Poor cognitive skills. Poor reading skills. They do go together.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 12:32:53 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Or maybe “Conservative” was confused with “pro-Russia?”


8 posted on 04/08/2014 12:33:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
A lot of Putinistas FReepers think "conservative" can be defined by a couple of policy positions. They might think the Westboro Baptist Church is great and conservative because it's anti-gay. They might think Hitler or Ceaușescu splendid conservatives because they didn't allow abortion. They'd favor Mao because he said "power comes out of the barrel of a gun." They'd like Noriega because he didn't have a high tax rate. They don't seem to be able to understand that there is more to governing than a few policies that have some resemblance to conservatism.
9 posted on 04/08/2014 12:39:30 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Basically, he's telling the Socialist - SPD - too soft of a stand.

...and yet Frau Merkel stresses how closely she's working with her new foreign minister, so criticism of him is effectively criticism of her also.

10 posted on 04/08/2014 12:44:10 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: McGruff

“Germans going wobbly on us now?”

The Germans have been wobbly on us, all along. They nearly ran out of gas this winter, and despite plans to build new reserve holding areas, they can’t last more than a couple of weeks from a full embargo.

When Europe hitched itself to the “GREEN!” agenda and Russian Gas, instead of local energy sources (or Western ones), they gave away any initiative to use.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 12:45:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre

Your hyperbolic BS and name-calling has really grown old.

Anyone that would like more info than the banderist/svoboda line is a Putinista? You really do need to grow up.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 12:47:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Your Putinistic cheer leading has grown old. You really need to become an American Conservative and grow up.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 12:49:00 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Were you living in Europe this winter? I wonder because it didn’t seem like anyone was running out of gas to those of us who are here.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 12:50:05 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Anyone that would like more info than the banderist/svoboda line is a Putinista?

There's a very high likelihood that anyone who uses the term "banderist/svoboda line" is a member of the Borscht Brigade.

15 posted on 04/08/2014 12:50:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre

Really?

Do you not realize that your foolishness HURTS the very people you claim to support?

Like that rant, that could have been (and likely was) lifted from Daily Kos??? Insulting people sure helps the “CAUSE!!”, doesn’t it!

I saw the same as you during the Tunisia/Libya/Egypt debacles on Daily Kos. Time for you to go home, isn’t it?


16 posted on 04/08/2014 12:52:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 1rudeboy

Were Hitlerites in the German American Bundso sensitive about their being identified as supporters of a foreign dictator?


17 posted on 04/08/2014 12:53:10 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“There’s a very high likelihood that anyone who uses the term “banderist/svoboda line” is a member of the Borscht Brigade.”

Why yes, I actually like a good Borscht. It comes from living in Russia House for a time.

While you make yourself look like an idiot, I’ll continue to analyze real info as it comes, to form my opinions. Remember, the first casualty in any war is the truth. You prove that beyond a doubt.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 12:54:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t read the Daily Kos. It seems you must though. I mean much of your critique of the USA is just Leftist claptrap anyway. And surely you know that on the right it’s only the most off the rail wackos who support Putin the way you do. His biggest support is on the unreconstructed Left. So you’re either a Daily-Kos reading leftist or a crank pretending to be conservative.


19 posted on 04/08/2014 12:56:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Calm down, comrade Borscht. You do Putin’s cause no good when you leave Russia House and act like angry young communist.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 12:57:47 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Don't forget--"real" info only comes from sources that confirm your pro-Putin bias. I suggest RT, it uses simple language aimed at dunces who are busy otherwise stoking themselves while looking at photos of the Shirtless One.

If you can mouth words containing more than two or three syllables, the Moscow Times is a good fit.

21 posted on 04/08/2014 12:58:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre

You have no idea what Russia House was, do you?


22 posted on 04/08/2014 12:58:44 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
They nearly ran out of gas this winter, and despite plans to build new reserve holding areas, they can’t last more than a couple of weeks from a full embargo.

I'm surprised the Germans shut down their nuclear reactors in the wake of Fukashima. I read somewhere they're back to burning coal to replace the lost nuclear power.

23 posted on 04/08/2014 1:01:31 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: 1rudeboy

Feel free to blow your insults out of any orifice you choose to.

This is exactly why no is taking you seriously. Analyze and provide some real data, instead of screaming “PUTINISTA!!”, and you might have some credibility, kid.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 1:02:45 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

I’m sorry that you feel insulted. Times are tough for Young Pioneers. All that work for a red necktie for nothing.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 1:04:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Sure I do. It’s where you and Vladimir Pozner used to eat your borscht together and dream of a day when you could pump out propaganda again for a new Soviet style empire picked by a Praetorian guard of former KGB men and oligarchs who took vast sums of Russian money from the Russian people.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 1:05:58 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: mac_truck

German coal use at highest level since 1990

Brown coal electricity production in Germany rose last year to its highest level since 1990, despite the country’s campaign to shift to green sources of energy.

The increase, revealed in figures published on Tuesday, prompted calls from Green politicians and environmental lobbyists for energy reforms to raise the costs of operating coal-fired power stations – especially those using brown coal, a highly-polluting fuel.

(SNIP)
Germany, which is the world’s largest brown coal miner, last year used the fuel – also known as lignite – to generate 162bn kilowatt-hours of electricity, according to EnergieBilanz, an electricity industry association. That is up from 161bn kWh in 2012 and the highest total since the 171bn kWh recorded in 1990, when east Germany’s ex-Communist plants were still in full flow.

Although energy from renewable sources – such as wind and solar power – has risen steadily over the past decade, to 147bn kWh last year, Ms Merkel’s decision to phase out nuclear power has left a gap that only fossil fuels could fill quickly.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6470600-77bf-11e3-807e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2yKLcV14h


27 posted on 04/08/2014 1:07:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Hey, how is Valdimir Pozner doing, grandpa comrade?


28 posted on 04/08/2014 1:07:29 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Ahhh...
NO....
Try again.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 1:07:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for proving my point...


30 posted on 04/08/2014 1:09:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Oh you were a character in a David Cornwell novel. No wonder you’re prone to misunderstanding Putin. Come in from the cold, comrade. Oh, I’m so impressed. But how is Vladimir Posner doing?


31 posted on 04/08/2014 1:11:30 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

What is your point? That you’re in love with Putin?


32 posted on 04/08/2014 1:12:28 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Good information, and thanks for the link.

I do not think Germany is going to sacrifice access to Russian natural gas for the sake of ‘democracy’ in Ukraine.

However, if this ‘crisis’ got the Merkel government to remove it’s moratorium on nuclear power and slow down its use of coal, that would be a positive outcome.


33 posted on 04/08/2014 1:39:50 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: elhombrelibre

LOL..
So you think it was a movie, eh?


34 posted on 04/08/2014 1:45:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre

Again, no....

Not American, are you, eh?


35 posted on 04/08/2014 1:46:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Eh, you’re Canadian, eh? Comrade, where did you learn your English in Russian Communist training school for you and Vladimir Posner? You must only say “eh” at end of sentence if you’re Canadian, comrade.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 2:02:46 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Lol
You’ve got some real strange fantasies for a troll, doncha?


37 posted on 04/08/2014 2:06:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

You had a point? I thought the ones you use are from the Kremlin.


38 posted on 04/08/2014 2:47:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“I thought the ones you use are from the Kremlin.”

Then as usual, you are incorrect.


39 posted on 04/08/2014 2:50:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Sure. You came-up with “banderist/svoboda” all by yourself.


40 posted on 04/08/2014 2:52:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Thank you.


41 posted on 04/08/2014 4:14:48 PM PDT by hotsteppa
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To: elhombrelibre

Straw man arguments. No one ever said anything like that.


42 posted on 04/08/2014 8:50:21 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: tcrlaf

You’re the troll. I’ve been at FReeRepublic since 1998. You’re the one who wants to hurt the conservative brand by making conservatives look like ignorant cranks who’d align with a brutal foreign dictator because he has you fooled.


43 posted on 04/08/2014 10:10:44 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Monmouth78

Yes, they’ve puffed up Putin for similar reasons. “Oh, Putin is a Christian because he poses for pictures with priests.” Please. There are so many facile and weak minded people duped by Putin that they remind me of the goobers who used to run off to every new socialist dictator to praise him as the wave of the future. Putin’s a fraud and conservative Putinistas are dupes.


44 posted on 04/08/2014 10:13:24 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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