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Millions could go off blood pressure meds
Yahoo/AFP ^ | March 29, 2014

Posted on 03/29/2014 6:57:54 PM PDT by kingattax

Washington (AFP) - One in four American adults over 60 being treated for high blood pressure could go off their medication under recent guidelines issued in the United States, a study said Saturday.

The changes, which stirred controversy in the medical community, could mean nearly six million may no longer need drugs to control their blood pressure, Duke University researchers said in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

The findings are the first to analyze the impact of 2014 guidelines that raised blood pressure targets to 150/90, instead of the previous goal of 140/90, in adults age 60 and older.

"Raising the target in older adults is controversial, and not all experts agree with this new recommendation," said lead author Ann Marie Navar-Boggan, a cardiology fellow at the Duke University School of Medicine.

"In this study, we wanted to determine the number of adults affected by these changes."

The guidelines were issued by the Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure.

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KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; bloodpressure; bpmeds; deathpanels; hypertension; medicine; rationedcare
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1 posted on 03/29/2014 6:57:54 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Funny how all these studies are endorsing reduce levels of care.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 7:01:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kingattax

Bttt


3 posted on 03/29/2014 7:01:38 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: kingattax

“In this study, we wanted to determine the number of adults affected by these changes.”

By the number of oldsters that suddenly die off, getting them off government roles.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 7:02:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: kingattax

People cannot die early if they are on bp meds.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 7:02:40 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: driftdiver

>>Funny how all these studies are endorsing reduce levels of care.

Are they reducing levels to satisfy the government now? Or did they increase the levels to the point of ridiculousness in the past to satisfy the pharmaceutical companies?


6 posted on 03/29/2014 7:05:27 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Beta blockers are very cheap, safe, and have been proven to reduce the risk and slow the advancement of hypertensive disease.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 7:06:13 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: kingattax

Gee. Women don’t need mammograms. People don’t need blood pressure meds. Not since Obeymecare came along. What a funny coincidence.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 7:06:16 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Heh...now watch the oldsters live longer without the medicine.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 7:06:26 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: kingattax

I’m 60 and between those two numbers. I take BP medication and will continue to do so. I enjoy not having headaches. It’s $10/3 month. Well worth it.


10 posted on 03/29/2014 7:06:27 PM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

bp meds cause enough bad problems on their own.


11 posted on 03/29/2014 7:10:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Bryanw92

Well since some of the studies are for things that don’t involve drugs I’d say it doesn’t involve the drug companies.


12 posted on 03/29/2014 7:13:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: workerbee

“Gee. Women don’t need mammograms. People don’t need blood pressure meds. Not since Obeymecare came along. What a funny coincidence.”

Ditto for screening PSA blood tests for Prostate Cancer. The Half-Breed is doing all he can to have us older folks move over and make room for “his people.”


13 posted on 03/29/2014 7:15:57 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: LukeL
Beta blockers are very cheap, safe, and have been proven to reduce the risk and slow the advancement of hypertensive disease.

Basic diuretics are cheaper yet.

14 posted on 03/29/2014 7:17:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: driftdiver

My bp is not all that high untreated (about 140/95), but if I don’t take the meds, I get a heart murmur. So, I take them.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 7:18:59 PM PDT by virgil
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To: workerbee
mammograms, pap smears, bp meds......all preceded by making new mothers GO HOME after a few hrs of rest after giving birth....

I remember my mother was in the hospital for a week when she had my little brother....a whole week....

16 posted on 03/29/2014 7:20:09 PM PDT by cherry
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To: driftdiver

>>Well since some of the studies are for things that don’t involve drugs I’d say it doesn’t involve the drug companies.

Some...yes. But what about the statins, BP drugs, anti-depressants, ADD/ADHD drugs, etc? Almost everyone is on at least one of those, and there’s a smokin’ hot pharmaceutical rep clip-clopping in to the doctor’s office on her impossibly high heels almost every time I’m in the waiting room.


17 posted on 03/29/2014 7:20:49 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: LukeL

Beta blockers and some diuretics have been linked to the development of diabetes.

I’m sticking with my ACE inhibitor and calcium channel blocker. And I am not going off them when I hit sixty.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 7:23:21 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: cherry

Hospitals were a much different breed when our mothers delivered. I stayed 2 nights after each of mine. I was more than ready to leave by then!


19 posted on 03/29/2014 7:25:01 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: kingattax
The changes, which stirred controversy in the medical community, could mean nearly six million may no longer need drugs to control their blood pressure, Duke University researchers said in the Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings are the first to analyze the impact of 2014 guidelines that raised blood pressure targets to 150/90, instead of the previous goal of 140/90, in adults age 60 and older.

This is beyond ridiculous. Just a way to avoid providing needed treatment under Obamacare.

20 posted on 03/29/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: cherry
Had two kids in a Doctor's office...by choice in the mid to late 80's....

Was the best experience...and we were all home within a few hours. Nothing was mandated...we did it because we trusted the Doctor completely...The last kid I paid for completely out of pocket.

They both are now fine upstanding kids!!

21 posted on 03/29/2014 7:28:06 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: driftdiver
Funny how all these studies are endorsing reduce levels of care.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 7:30:37 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: kingattax

They should have gotten government jobs!

Suckers!


23 posted on 03/29/2014 7:31:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evastion are tools of deceit)
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To: steve86

Mine are only $4.00 per month and a diuretic does not protect from the effects of adrenaline on heart tissue as my high bp and pvcs are from anxiety. Beta blockers also can actually strength the heart muscle by forcing it to work more efficiently.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 7:33:04 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: LukeL

Watch out...it’s coming: stay healthy or die.


25 posted on 03/29/2014 7:39:58 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: LukeL

Some people have side effects to beta blockers such as worsening depression and reduced energy, lethargy.


26 posted on 03/29/2014 7:49:39 PM PDT by BCable
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To: Bryanw92

The OLD old standard was that your top figure should be under 100+your age, so under 160 at 60 yrs old. That was changed to <140, and now is in between at 150.


27 posted on 03/29/2014 7:52:31 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: kingattax

well IT IS the objective of Obamacare to “control what the nation is spending on ‘healthcare’ “ LOL


28 posted on 03/29/2014 7:52:41 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: driftdiver
Funny how all these studies are endorsing reduce levels of care.

Won't work for me I'm a couple years of and last time I went off my meds I hit a nice 194/112. Of course some people might like me off my meds and some may feel I need a lot more!

29 posted on 03/29/2014 7:55:42 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: driftdiver

I had a good friend recently die via BP problems who I believe could have lived several years longer had he gotten out of the mentality of using the local VA hospital as his primary care giver and sought private care instead as he had insurance.

Very sad.


30 posted on 03/29/2014 8:03:38 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: kingattax

I took myself off bp meds against doc’s advice, changed my diet, and now my new normal is 117/76. NO salt, no caffeine, very little fat.

Meds never got bp down that far. Diet worked in about two weeks, getting used to it now, happy with results. I read a lot, thought it was worth a try. Sure was :)

OTOH, if I REALLY needed meds or surgery, I’d be seriously ticked if insurance didn’t cover it.


31 posted on 03/29/2014 8:03:40 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: workerbee

My doctor - who was not a specialist - had five women who were due to delivery within the same week. Just so happened that it was also the opening week of pheasant season in Kansas. All of us were induced so we could all go in, have our babies and come home in no more than three days because all the husbands and the docs had a hunting trip planned.

Everybody made it on schedule, the guys had a great time hunting and the freezers were all full for the fall season. So went life in the early 1960’s!


32 posted on 03/29/2014 8:04:02 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: kingattax
The changes, which stirred controversy in the medical community, could mean nearly six million may no longer need drugs to control their blood pressure, Duke University researchers said in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

I imagine a whole lot less are going to need blood pressure meds once the muzzie in chief is out of the White House .....

33 posted on 03/29/2014 8:07:27 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: kingattax

eggs are good, eggs are bad…..you need blood pressure pills, you don’t need blood pressure meds…..what a crock! All of it.


34 posted on 03/29/2014 8:10:33 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: cherry

I remember that having heart surgery would require months in the hospital. Now they are out the next day. I think it has to do with greater medical care than reduced care for the patient.


35 posted on 03/29/2014 8:12:32 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

Boundary cases are always troublesome in a science that only yields vague results.


36 posted on 03/29/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ogen hal
Watch out...it’s coming: stay healthy or die.

Oh I hate to tell you this, but you ARE going to die regardless. That is why I have such a problem with food Nazis and smoking Nazis….as if you eat perfectly you are going to live forever. Wonder why Alzheimer's is up?????? People are living too long…..YEP it is true.

37 posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:20 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Grams A

were any of the babies named Hunter?


38 posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Yep just another way to cull the population.


39 posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:51 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: napscoordinator

Some illness will always top the charts. It’s a mortal coil. If Alzheimers is licked, something else will peak, maybe cancers of a different kind. And so it goes.


40 posted on 03/29/2014 8:16:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: workerbee
Gee. Women don’t need mammograms. People don’t need blood pressure meds. Not since Obeymecare came along. What a funny coincidence.

Yep. My doc and I were just getting a laugh out of this same coinidink, recently. His reply...."Death Panels".

41 posted on 03/29/2014 8:18:59 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Grams A

LOL... took me a minute... good one!


42 posted on 03/29/2014 8:21:08 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: kingattax

This smells very much like a gummint plan to reduce its meds costs.


43 posted on 03/29/2014 8:35:35 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: kingattax

I’m 63, doctor took me off my meds when I managed to get my BP to 117/73 with an at rest heart rate of 65.....


44 posted on 03/29/2014 8:38:49 PM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: vette6387
The Half-Breed is doing all he can to have us older folks move over and make room for “his people.”

Looks like some of Holders people are happy navigators (HON).....

("his people" = Holders people = HON = Happy Obamacare Navigator)

HON....OK whitey....lets check your voter registrations ....

HON....Looks like you need to make a couple of adjustments here....and here....

OK now I see it......your colonoscopy is scheduled for next month.....and the insulin will be mailed as before...

HON Thinks...."this desk job sure beats stealing cell phones and a once a year gig patrolling voting booths with my billy club."

...and easier on the knuckles than punching out "Polar Bears"...just a few clicks of the mouse and they on tha fast track to the Liverpool Pathway....just like in the UK...where they euthanize 60,000 oldies every year.

(He also got the message about hiding the screen image of his laptop)

and note the body language of his clients..

The guy with face clenched in anguish

and the lady...red face...hand clenched across chest....and neck veins popping out.

45 posted on 03/29/2014 8:47:42 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: workerbee
"Not since Obeymecare came along."

"Obeymecare!!!" I love it!!!

46 posted on 03/29/2014 8:52:18 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black PresidentÂ… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: BCable

“Some people have side effects to beta blockers such as worsening depression and reduced energy, lethargy.”

In my opinion, beta blockers are horrible drugs. Aside from what you mention above, beta blockers greatly increase your risk of diabetes, and there’s the little publicized factoid that abrupt cessation of beta blockers greatly increase your risk of sudden heart attack.

Diuretics can also be extremely nasty as they can cause drop in potassium, precipitating all kinds of muscle problems, including heart attack.


47 posted on 03/29/2014 10:01:29 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: kingattax

I could probably get off BP meds if I’d quit watching TV, stop reading the internet and stop talking to everyone.


48 posted on 03/29/2014 10:09:25 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

“bp meds cause enough bad problems on their own.”

Not me. Have been very effective with no side effects that I can ascertain. I see them as a lifesaver for anyone with high BP.


49 posted on 03/29/2014 11:16:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: kingattax

Back in the 70s, when I was taking nursing classes, we were taught a guideline of age + 100, up to age 60 or 65; 90 diastolic was still the to end then.

Like eggs, butter, BMI targets, cholesterol levels, etc, the medical standards/norms/recommendation continue to fluctuate more than a half charged flux capacitor’s readings.


50 posted on 03/30/2014 12:36:58 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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