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(Northwestern) NLRB decision very well-reasoned
ESPN ^ | 3/27/14 | Lester Munson

Posted on 03/27/2014 6:54:21 AM PDT by T-Bird45

The regional director of the National Labor Relations Board in Chicago, Peter Sung Ohr, ruled Wednesday that Northwestern University football players are university employees and entitled to an election that will determine whether they can form a union. The blockbuster ruling and Ohr's reasoning raise significant legal questions:

Q: What is the basis that college athletes are employees and entitled to form a union?

A: Ohr based his conclusion primarily on the enormous revenue and benefit that result from the efforts of the Northwestern football players and on the rigorous control that Wildcats coaches have over the lives of the scholarship athletes. The first thing that Ohr mentioned as he began to explain his decision was that Northwestern enjoyed football revenue of $235 million over the nine years between 2003 and 2012. Clearly impressed with that enormous income, Ohr explained somewhat unnecessarily that the university could use this "economic benefit" in "any manner it chose." It wasn't just the money, though, Ohr added. There is also the "great benefit" of the "immeasurable positive impact to Northwestern's reputation a winning football team may have." (Ohr did not mention NU's seven-game losing streak at the end of the past season.)

Ohr also was impressed with the hour-by-hour, day-by-day control that the coaching staff has over players' lives. He devoted more than 10 pages of his 24-page opinion to a detailed description of practice schedules, workout requirements and coaches' supervision, including approval of living arrangements, registration of automobiles, control of the use of social media (a player must be connected to a coach), dress codes, restrictions on off-campus travel and demanding study schedules. It was the kind of control, Ohr concluded, that an employer has over an employee, not the kind of control a school has over a student.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: scholarships; studentathletes; unions
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To: T-Bird45

The schools have whored themselves out to TV money and fame. Now they’re getting called on it. Note that this would only involve Division I schools. Division II and III schools, who really do put the “scholar” in “scholar-athlete” first are unaffected. Dump athletic tuition waivers (I refuse to call them “scholarships” since there is no actual scholarship involved) and this problem goes away. So do coaches making $1,000,000 a year, of course, and the NFL and NBA have to create their own minor leagues (like baseball and hockey), but too bad for them.

I wonder if this will cause any schools to drop from Division I to Division II or III?

21 posted on 03/27/2014 7:41:16 AM PDT by RonF
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To: ilgipper

This wasn’t Northwestern’s idea; they’re fighting it. Why don’t you blame the former player(s) who came up with it.

22 posted on 03/27/2014 7:41:58 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: T-Bird45

The “employees” might be shocked when they get their W2s.

For many, a scholarship means the difference of the college experience or not.

Many will have a hard time paying the taxes and would have to forgo college to pay off their debt to IRS.

23 posted on 03/27/2014 7:42:06 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Coffee... Black... No Sugar

You actually just explained why people would want to coach MORE in this setting. NCAA rules are idiotic and force coaches to do a lot of extra work that results in nothing on the field. When this results in the death of the NCAA coaches will no longer be forced to waste time making sure their players didn’t trade autographs for haircuts.

The NCAA is on its death bed, and their rules demanding players get no compensation, and the way they enforce it frequently vacating wins and punishing players and coaches that weren’t even involved with bowl bans, will kill it. That’s why the super conferences are forming, and players getting a footing to demand some level of compensation puts another nail in the NCAA’s coffin.

24 posted on 03/27/2014 7:50:51 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: RonF

If this applied to football players, wouldn’t it also apply to all other sports at a college? If it did, pretty much every college would drop all sports. The cost would be prohibitive.

25 posted on 03/27/2014 8:04:43 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: T-Bird45

Not every player on a D1 Footbal1/Basketball team is there on scholarship. Some are true walk-ons happy to participate. If they are subject to all the same rules as every scholarship athlete AND are part of revenue generation will they now have to be compensated some way equal to a scholarship?

26 posted on 03/27/2014 8:12:39 AM PDT by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward would AGREE)
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To: School of Rational Thought
The “employees” might be shocked when they get their W2s. For many, a scholarship means the difference of the college experience or not. Many will have a hard time paying the taxes and would have to forgo college to pay off their debt to IRS.

In addition, for many this would translate into 'family income' and daddy dear might just be popped into a very high tax bracket or lose his Obamacare subsidy or his food stamps or , you name it.!

27 posted on 03/27/2014 8:15:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: LeonardFMason

Walk ons would be scabs.


28 posted on 03/27/2014 8:18:56 AM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Defiant

I am not versed in that aspect but I would think that if they are considered employees and their scholarships are considered payment for employment then it should be subject to income taxes.

29 posted on 03/27/2014 8:20:41 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6

Scholarships are “grants-in-aid” and specifically addressed as non-taxable by the IRS already. This changes nothing in that respect.

30 posted on 03/27/2014 8:29:30 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Psalm 73

The leader of the effort, the former NW QB, specifically denies that it was about “pay for play” and was about working conditions.

31 posted on 03/27/2014 8:31:39 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

When a ‘student scholarship’ requires more time and success on football than in the classroom, then he is an employee. I’ll go with that.

32 posted on 03/27/2014 8:42:30 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: ilgipper

“If Northwestern never wins another game, I would be a happy person. This is a joke.”

I don’t think its a joke. I do think this will wind up at the Supreme Court. But, however this plays out, college football , along with the concussion issue, will be going through some challenges over the next decade or so.

It’s my guess that should the Northwestern lawsuit prevail I think it spells the demise of college football as we know it. This current lawsuit would only apply to private schools but should it win at the Supremes I’m guessing there will be a lawsuit in behalf of player eat public schools. I see in my crystal ball that college sports will evolve into club teams much the same as in Europe. And, the NFL will form minor league divisions similar to MLB. But, who knows, one thing for sure this will get real messy if it’s not slapped down - soon....

33 posted on 03/27/2014 8:43:28 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: jda

Too b ad pro teams don’t oversee their players better and cut out the hoodrat behavior and such. If they did I might still watch them.

34 posted on 03/27/2014 8:43:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: T-Bird45

I am saying that if they want to be considered employees then their scholarships should be considered income from employment and taxed accordingly.

35 posted on 03/27/2014 8:59:53 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: T-Bird45
"...denies that it was about “pay for play” and was about working conditions."

Coal miners strike for "working conditions"....

36 posted on 03/27/2014 9:17:02 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Eagles6

You are correct. The scholarship is income if the athlete is an employee, and not just a paying customer, a student. A scholarship is like a sale price on an item if a student. Now if the athlete never sets foot in a classroom, ever, then the athlete will be taxed only on wages. But if he attends classes, the value of the education should be taxable. But we all know is that federal and local politicians, also known as hacks, will make sure everyone is taking care of. Because the universities is where many hacks go to feed at the trough upon retirement from politics. Thus they will make sure everybody is happy.

37 posted on 03/27/2014 9:20:14 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Eagles6
I am just responding by saying that they already are considered income. My daughter got an academic scholarship from her college, and I get a 1099 on it every year. I have checked, and it doesn't look like it is taxable income to me or to her, but that just means that the tax code doesn't require taxes on that kind of income. It is still considered income, and could be taxed with a stroke of Obama's pen.

As for this dispute, my view as a former college athlete is that there are college athletes and then there are those who are not really collegians, they are just there to play a sport. Many are exploited, and get a raw deal. A starter at Alabama who doesn't go to class much and is not quite good enough for the NFL doesn't get the education end of the bargain and doesn't get the shot at the pros either. He may have back and knee problems that will start haunting him in his 40s and cause an early retirement and early death. That kind of player, which is a substantial part of the division 1 football and basketball players, should be able to get more of the huge revenues that are generated by his school's program. In my, free-market oriented, opinion.

Of course, the current system of big-time college sports is a sham anyway. It is not Syracuse or USC or Purdue playing another team, it is just a group of non-students brought to that school to compete against another team's non-students. They bring in someone who could not get into the school in normal circumstances, and the athletes often attend special classes set up for athletes, with professors who pass them if they show up, and they get a degree that is worthless at the end.

If it were up to me, college sports would be played by people already in the school for academic reasons. Dumb schools would generally be better than smart schools. Fine. Ivys can play each other; big state schools can play each other if they want. No one gets anything for playing a sport; they do it if they want to as recreation once they get to college. Meanwhile, the people who are not that interested in school can play in minor leagues and not have to pretend to go to school. They can make money and support themselves and work on their game for 2,3 or 6 years while they try to make the pros. The NFL would hate this (they would have to fund a minor league system), and the sports networks would hate this, so it will never happen. But I still don't understand why people care about a school team when what they are really rooting for is the ability of a school to convince 17 year old disadvantaged youngsters to go to their school and play for them for free, even though they are not going to get an education.

Rant over.

38 posted on 03/27/2014 9:27:00 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: T-Bird45
For reference here's the other hammer that's coming down on college football:

The NCAA knew EA Sports had real players 'hidden' in college football games

Ed O'Bannon vs. the NCAA: The saga continues

These stories have so many "unintended consequences" it's mindboggling. It will be interesting to see how this pans out across the private/public college spectrum.

39 posted on 03/27/2014 9:37:27 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: T-Bird45

Lester Munson is a POS Union shill. The Right to Work States will tell them to go to hell.

40 posted on 03/27/2014 9:55:04 AM PDT by ohioman
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