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Democrats said to push for new changes to ObamaCare amid midterm fears
fox news ^ | 3/27/2014 | staff

Posted on 03/27/2014 3:16:41 AM PDT by tobyhill

Several Democratic senators reportedly plan to introduce as soon as Thursday a set of principles and legislation aimed at fixing parts of ObamaCare amid concerns the law could cost Democrats House seats and possibly the Senate in November.

Sens. Mark Warner, D-Va.; Mark Begich, D-Alaska; Mary Landrieu, D-La.; Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D.; Joe Manchin, D-W.Va.; and Sen. Angus King, I., Maine, will introduce proposals to improve the law, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Begich and Warner have called for allowing "copper" plans on the government-run health exchanges. The new insurance plans would offer lower premiums and higher out-of-pocket costs than the "bronze," "silver" and "gold" options currently offered.

"I've always been a believer that the law was not perfect, but you should continue to work to improve it," Begich told the newspaper. "People are seeing that as it's implemented, there are tweaks you need to do and there's just nothing wrong with that."

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1 posted on 03/27/2014 3:16:41 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

They need to implement this law.

They told us how great it was for years. Now implement the damn thing in full.


2 posted on 03/27/2014 3:18:19 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tobyhill
Begich and Warner have called for allowing "copper" plans on the government-run health exchanges

Lower than the bronze plan? What does that have? A $50,000 deductible?
3 posted on 03/27/2014 3:19:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tobyhill

“Bronze” already has terrible coverage, minimal providers, huge copays, and giant deductibles. What is “copper” going to be - a Sandra Fluke plan where you still get charged $2k a year, and the only things it pays for are birth control and abortions?

The best fix for ObamaCare is to repeal that terrible, unconstitutional, and divisive law.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 3:20:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: tobyhill

REPEAL IT. DON’T BOTHER TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE REPAIRED.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 3:21:29 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: tobyhill

Insurance companies, who are the ones most injured by the changes Obama has made to the law’s implementation, should file suit against Obama and his cohorts for violating the law as written.


6 posted on 03/27/2014 3:22:12 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They might as well have a $2 million deductible.


7 posted on 03/27/2014 3:22:51 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

I think I’ll hold out for the “Aluminum” plan...


8 posted on 03/27/2014 3:23:07 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Let the damn thing DIE, it’s way past time.


9 posted on 03/27/2014 3:24:03 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: tobyhill

This is called trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube


10 posted on 03/27/2014 3:25:22 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: savedbygrace

The insurance companies should all just rip up their stock options because they are just about to become worthless. They slept with the dog and now they have flees.


11 posted on 03/27/2014 3:26:03 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

“The new insurance plans would offer lower premiums and higher out-of-pocket costs than the “bronze,” “silver” and “gold” options currently offered.”

Wow, how can I get royally screwed with higher co-pays and deductibles? What a deal, where do I sign?


12 posted on 03/27/2014 3:27:47 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: tobyhill

It’s no coincidence that most of these senators are from “Red” states. They should just call the proposed Obamacare revisions the Save Mary Landrieu’s Political Career Act.


13 posted on 03/27/2014 3:30:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: savedbygrace
Insurance companies, who are the ones most injured by the changes Obama has made to the law’s implementation, should file suit against Obama and his cohorts for violating the law as written.

The insurance companies wanted ObamaCare. They thought it would force millions into the status of "forced customer" at the point of IRS guns.

I have zero sympathy for them,

14 posted on 03/27/2014 3:33:39 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: tobyhill

Don’t they know that it is “Settled Law? (Unlike the 2nd Amendment)


15 posted on 03/27/2014 3:34:13 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: Cowboy Bob
I think I’ll hold out for the “Aluminum” plan...

Don't forget the upcoming "Lead" and "Wood" plans.

16 posted on 03/27/2014 3:34:45 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Alberta's Child

The law is already mute but these Senators are having a hard time convincing Americans that all they need to do is check a box.
They would do better to admit they made a mistake and will vote to repeal the whole law.


17 posted on 03/27/2014 3:35:36 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Here’s your copper plan: run commie.


18 posted on 03/27/2014 3:36:02 AM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Exactly. This “insurance” is still overpriced because it represents virtually no insurance at all.

I don’t think anybody, now that it’s known that the devil is in the details (huge deductibles and “out of pocket” payments), will fall for this.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 3:36:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: tobyhill

Why? Obama doesn’t need them or anyone in congress to tweak the “law.” He can and will do as he pleases with it.


20 posted on 03/27/2014 3:36:41 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: All
DUMMYCRATS GET A WAKE-UP CALL Going into Florida, Democrats were marching in lockstep, saluting smartly to der leader. Demmies had uniformly decided not to utter a discouraging word about Obama/Care in deference to der leader---but, alas, the DNC pre-approved "fixit" plan flopped bigtime.

Democrats are feeling the sting of the electorate----voters steaming from broken promises, the disastrous online rollout, hundreds of thousands of policy cancellations, sticker shock over coverage, ruinous deductibles, fleeing doctors, chaotic hospital networks, plus Obama's self-serving changes and delays in the law to make himself look good.

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When Fla Republican David Jolly defeated Dummy Alex Sink, Dem leaders explained away the outcome by arguing that Republicans had a 13-point turnout advantage. But the Dum-Dums failed to mention that PELOSI WAS THE MAGIC VOTE-GETTER --- FOR REPUBLICANS

National Journal reported Repub strategists had measured which messages were most effectively persuading voters to turn in their ballots.

In Jolly's race, Repubs turned to a message—delivered across a variety of digital platforms and email.

The powerful message focused on urging Repubs to vote now or watch Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi move one step closer to reclaiming the speaker's gavel.

21 posted on 03/27/2014 3:37:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: tobyhill

any further changes makes for the law to be null and void. Gee why doesn’t anybody in DC see that the law has morphed so much that it is no longer what was passed it is entirely something else and does not needed to be funded any longer. The House is the one whom controls the purse DEFUND IT. (caps on because the government minder may be to dumb to be able to read the small print)


22 posted on 03/27/2014 3:37:46 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Cowboy Bob

A “Brass” plan?


23 posted on 03/27/2014 3:37:50 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (ObamaCare unsubsidized PAID Enrollment Prediction: 66,666)
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To: Cowboy Bob

A “Brass” plan?


24 posted on 03/27/2014 3:37:50 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (ObamaCare unsubsidized PAID Enrollment Prediction: 66,666)
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To: tobyhill
This is too funny.
The only change needed is a complete reversal.
Rats hoping the weed votes will bring in their uninformed voters.
Depending on dopers typical RATS. . . .
25 posted on 03/27/2014 3:38:22 AM PDT by DeaconRed (We must save our country. We owe it to our brave founding Fathers & Mothers. . . .)
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To: tobyhill; All

This is gonna be fun. I’m pretty sure that Reid will have to allow amendments..Look for Cruz to tack on one calling for either repeal or postponent for, say 125 years..


26 posted on 03/27/2014 3:38:55 AM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: tobyhill

Forget the copper plan. How about a scrap iron plan?

Or a lead plan?


27 posted on 03/27/2014 3:39:25 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: tobyhill; All

This is gonna be fun. I’m pretty sure that Reid will have to allow amendments..Look for Cruz to tack on one calling for either repeal or postponent for, say 125 years..


28 posted on 03/27/2014 3:40:41 AM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: PJ-Comix

The “Polished Turd” plan.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 3:40:49 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill; Steely Tom

Okie dokie, then we can put both of you down as favoring Obama making changes to Obamacare without going through Congress?

That’s nice.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 3:42:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: tobyhill

“Fixing” the unfixable? Like fixing a Yugo with Ford parts.


31 posted on 03/27/2014 3:44:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Fresh Wind
Forget the copper plan. How about a scrap iron plan?

Or a lead plan?

The fool's gold plan.

32 posted on 03/27/2014 3:45:04 AM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: savedbygrace

??? I never even wrote anything close to that. My statement is based on reality that if insurance companies lose money then their stock becomes worthless.


33 posted on 03/27/2014 3:45:37 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

According to King Obama, only he can change the law!


34 posted on 03/27/2014 3:45:40 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: savedbygrace
Okie dokie, then we can put both of you down as favoring Obama making changes to Obamacare without going through Congress?

That’s nice.

No.

35 posted on 03/27/2014 3:47:31 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom
As do I.

We have to remember that it is often business who supports Government mandates and controls to avoid competition.

36 posted on 03/27/2014 3:47:33 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: livius

The Copper plan probably covers bandaids and birth control. All for only $50,000.

“We’re from the government and we are here to help”


37 posted on 03/27/2014 3:48:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: livius
That's exactly right. There's really no insurance at all for most of the younger/healthier people who are forced into these stupid plans.

For someone who is 25-30 years old and in average health, an Obamacare "insurance" plan is like an auto insurance policy with a $15,0000 deductible -- on a car that has a replacement value of $18,000 to $20,000.

38 posted on 03/27/2014 3:50:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Nickname
Obama doesn’t need them or anyone in congress to tweak the “law.” He can and will do as he pleases with it.

That's right. Why don't they just "draft executive orders" for Obamao to sign like Shiela Jackson Lee said they would?

39 posted on 03/27/2014 3:52:04 AM PDT by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: tobyhill

Too little, too late. Everyone is on to you guys, even the LIVs.


40 posted on 03/27/2014 3:53:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
What does that have? A $50,000 deductible?

Funny, ain't it? LOL! Next they'll offer a plan that only costs $750.00 a month, and with no deductible, but it doesn't cover any medical expenses. Just makes you compliant. These libtard stooges are an embarrassment and a serious danger to the country.
41 posted on 03/27/2014 3:55:35 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: tobyhill

These idiots are in the insurance business now?

Terrified that they have finally managed to piss off even the morons that vote democrat, they continue to insult the intelligence of the simpleminded by coming up with yet another scheme, the Copper plan!

Yeah, that will save their bacon, right


42 posted on 03/27/2014 3:56:30 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Red in Blue PA

I think it’s around $7,500 on the deductible presently.

Years ago, I watched a discussion group where they talked up this significant issue that catastrophic support was what most people needed....when health bills got into the $30k or above range. So they threw out this idea of a deductible of $25k, and I kinda sat there in shock. But the positive is...your monthly cost would have been like $25 for a family. Looking back now, this kinda makes sense....but we won’t dare discuss this type of option.


43 posted on 03/27/2014 4:04:15 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Steely Tom
The insurance companies wanted ObamaCare. They thought it would force millions into the status of "forced customer" at the point of IRS guns.

I have zero sympathy for them,

Agreed 100%, except since insurance is a big, almost all cash business, they've got the money to buy the politicians, and pretty much buy any outcome they want. Look for this to turn their way, one way or the other. I'm sure they're still trying to figure out how to make it happen without coming out to be the bad guys in this.

44 posted on 03/27/2014 4:10:30 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: tobyhill

It kinda makes me happy to have Medicare right now ... :-) ...

With my “Medigap” ... I have no deductibles, no copays, no additional costs or fees ... basically pay nothing for anything.


45 posted on 03/27/2014 4:12:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

It won`t be long before Obama and the democrats discover how “unfair “ this is.


46 posted on 03/27/2014 4:22:53 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Einherjar

I think there are enough old fogeys around to unseat anyone .. :-) ...


47 posted on 03/27/2014 4:25:50 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: tobyhill
This is merely an effort to help their reelection, they don't give a rats a$$ about the people.

They single handedly created this dictate and never tried to address the problems of healthcare. They should rename the different plans as a form of manure: Horse manure, Cow manure, Pig Manure, etc., The name is different but the substance is the same.

Do you remember how CZAR Gosnell Goebbels responded to the suggestion that they try and negotiate a better solution? He said: "I WON THE ELECTION!"

Now is the opportunity to give these dictators the accountability that they have caused the people to struggle with since its inception. as with the aforementioned waste, they should be flushed from office. Oh and how have the voters enjoyed paying double for gasoline since the coup team took over in 2009?
48 posted on 03/27/2014 4:32:00 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Liz

Yep. Pelosi and Debbie Wassserman are the poster children of obamacare


49 posted on 03/27/2014 4:34:46 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: ZX12R

But at least abortions, birth control devices and pills, and sex-change operations will be “free”. That is what’s important after all. Not actual “health care”.

Do you disagree? If so, you are either a misogynist, a racist, or both.


50 posted on 03/27/2014 4:37:28 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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