Skip to comments.U..S., Allies Throw Russia Out of G-8 (McFaul: Putin prepping for war w/ Nato)
Posted on 03/24/2014 5:38:50 PM PDT by kristinn
President Barack Obama and leaders of the worlds largest industrialized countries expelled Russia from the group until it changes course in Ukraine and formally canceled plans to attend an economic summit in Russia in June.
The move was aimed at Russian President Vladmir Putins plan to host the G-8 group of economic powers at Sochi, Russia, which would have been its second starring role on the world stage after this winters Olympics.
Instead, the G-7 leaders will meet in Brussels without Putin. At the same time, the group said it would not send its foreign ministers to a planned G-8 meeting in Moscow next month.
Though largely symbolic and falling short of new sanctions against Russia, the statement from the G-7 leaders pledged that they remain ready to intensify sanctions if Russia takes further action in Ukraine.
The move is symbolic but still important, Michael McFaul, a Stanford University-based Russia specialist who until recently was U.S. ambassador to Moscow, told reporters on a conference call.
McFaul said he believes Putin understands that hes growing isolated and is bracing for a possible military engagement with NATO forces at some point.
Right now I think hes focused on consolidating and digging in for confrontation with the West, McFaul said. They fully expect it and thats what theyre doing.
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as the old saying goes, from small changes come big results
Why do I believe that if Putin goes to war with NATO, that Putin will drag the war into US territory? That it won’t just stay in the East, but will come into the US hemisphere?
you suggesting Alaska?
........my god!...........full blown war with Russia and we have children in command of our military!
God help us...............please!
Why do you think our southern border is nothing more than a swinging gate? It's not by accident or a coincidence.
Damn, that Obama is QUITE the diplomat, isn’t he?
We have an acquaintance who was thrown out of the city dump once. Didn’t hurt him a bit.
If he’s not careful, Obama may make a mess of things before he’s through.
Imagining a fictional scenario where Putin might secretly agitate and encourage the 50% that don’t appreciate Zero to rise up, with a little help. I’m sure his spies have identified this as a way to divide and conquer from within. Just spit-balling here though.
Its a good thing we’re not drastically cutting our military.
That is frightening to anticipate!
Russia simply doesn't have the numbers to fight such a war, and it most certainly doesn't have the conventional weapons or infrastructure to quickly make them.
NATO doesn't have the forces in being for such a large front war either, but they would fair much better than the Russians on the expanses of Poland and Belarus, where the large tank battles would rage. In the south, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria are sharp hilled geography sprinkled with tiber patches and pillbox-like houses. Ivan would have a very tough go of it, against those peoples, where willingness to fight would make all the difference. Ivan would also have to contend with some really pissed off Ukrainians overlooking his supply lines.
The Baltic states might get taken before they could be protected, but I wouldn't count Sweden and Finland out of the game, just because they aren't NATO. And China might just decide it was time to annex a good sized chuck of Siberia, while everything was sorting out in the west.
Once again, the Poles would do a lot of the fighting and the dying.
Russia, flexing its muscles and begins to choke itself.
Putin, ya azzhat, you act like a two bit rogue state and you get treated like one.
Russia is happy McFaul packed his bags and went home. No love lost there obviously.
Russia will start looking for new friends now. Three guesses who’s first on the list.
Dang, for an Ambassador to Russia who resigned just last month, this McFaul guy comes down on Putin very hard. (Is it ok to post a link to McFaul’s op ed in NYT?)
Then again, back in 1994, it appears that some hard line Russkis arranged for a gunshot through his office window, so he’s probably under no illusions, unlike some here...
Interesting history on (former) Ambassador McFaul:
Also, likely slanted, but still useful background:
My reading is that of a guy who left work he loved because he was fed up with his bosses. The criticism of US foreign policy implicit in his NYT piece is pretty strong, if one looks (reads) carefully at all.
Russian agents could incite the muslims in Europe to go bananas against the rest of the population before it is all over.
Because it only makes sense. Ditto assassinations of specific civilians: technocrats, CEOs, our nomenklatura and their families. Ditto physical attacks on the grid and cyberwarfare. Opening a front with Mexicans north and south of the border would be another option, given what American drug money has done to them, Fast and Furious etc. that could be whipped up without too much effort.
Obamacon bloodeaters keep telling themselves that today’s NATO will cut the “Soviets” down like wheat in a contained European Theater. I rather doubt it would be so easy.
We destroyed Serbia with ease, Libya with difficulty, and failed in Syria. Russia is going to leave some marks.
The upside I suppose, at least for the domestic tyrants large and small who oppress us, it will give them the cover to impose martial law which they have been working towards for about a generation now.
“Russian agents could incite the muslims in Europe to go bananas against the rest of the population before it is all over.”
That is our card. The Chechens and others within RF territory and along their southern border. It has already been encouraged by one of the Kiev putschists.
He’s putting it all into place, clever chess master that he is. Meanwhile our government worries about various other stupid stuff like organic lunches.
I THINK Putin isn’t a Soviet, as much as an old style Russian warlord with ambitions to make himself czar. It would not surprise me that he has a hankering for a throne and if he hypes himself enough, the Russian people will determinedly clamor for him to become their leader and surrender any CHANCE of a free constitutional republic.
I do think though that Putin has grand ambitions and he is likely planning on some kind of conquest.
So, he’s making an unconventional war via incremental ‘annexations.’ Unlike Hitler he won’t use upfront war methods, but they will be far more Byzantine. Something is up with him and you can practically hear the buzzing going on as he racks his brain to figure out how to win, I know that much.
Pretty much agree.
Odd combo being both Obama’s guy and a Hoover fellow. Wonder where he really comes down today.