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U..S., Allies Throw Russia Out of G-8 (McFaul: Putin prepping for war w/ Nato)
McClatchy ^ | Monday, March 24, 2014 | Lesley Clark

Posted on 03/24/2014 5:38:50 PM PDT by kristinn

President Barack Obama and leaders of the world’s largest industrialized countries expelled Russia from the group until it “changes course” in Ukraine and formally canceled plans to attend an economic summit in Russia in June.

The move was aimed at Russian President Vladmir Putin’s plan to host the G-8 group of economic powers at Sochi, Russia, which would have been its second starring role on the world stage after this winter’s Olympics.

Instead, the G-7 leaders will meet in Brussels without Putin. At the same time, the group said it would not send its foreign ministers to a planned G-8 meeting in Moscow next month.

Though largely symbolic and falling short of new sanctions against Russia, the statement from the G-7 leaders pledged that they “remain ready” to intensify sanctions if Russia takes further action in Ukraine.

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The move is symbolic but still important, Michael McFaul, a Stanford University-based Russia specialist who until recently was U.S. ambassador to Moscow, told reporters on a conference call.

McFaul said he believes Putin understands that he’s growing isolated and is bracing for a possible military engagement with NATO forces at some point.

“Right now I think he’s focused on consolidating and digging in for confrontation with the West,” McFaul said. “They fully expect it and that’s what they’re doing.”

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: canada; crimea; europeanunion; france; g7; g8; germany; japan; nato; obama; russia; ukraine; unitedkingdom; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/24/2014 5:38:50 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

as the old saying goes, from small changes come big results


2 posted on 03/24/2014 5:45:50 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kristinn; yldstrk

Why do I believe that if Putin goes to war with NATO, that Putin will drag the war into US territory? That it won’t just stay in the East, but will come into the US hemisphere?


3 posted on 03/24/2014 5:49:17 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

you suggesting Alaska?


4 posted on 03/24/2014 5:56:17 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: kristinn

........my god!...........full blown war with Russia and we have children in command of our military!

God help us...............please!


5 posted on 03/24/2014 5:57:40 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: CorporateStepsister
Why do I believe that if Putin goes to war with NATO, that Putin will drag the war into US territory? That it won’t just stay in the East, but will come into the US hemisphere?

Why do you think our southern border is nothing more than a swinging gate? It's not by accident or a coincidence.

6 posted on 03/24/2014 5:58:53 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: kristinn

Damn, that Obama is QUITE the diplomat, isn’t he?


7 posted on 03/24/2014 6:02:11 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: CorporateStepsister
It was reported on this website that Russia well be building military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. Why do you suppose they want military bases there?
8 posted on 03/24/2014 6:04:08 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: kristinn

We have an acquaintance who was thrown out of the city dump once. Didn’t hurt him a bit.


9 posted on 03/24/2014 6:05:16 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: SoFloFreeper

If he’s not careful, Obama may make a mess of things before he’s through.


10 posted on 03/24/2014 6:07:36 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Imagining a fictional scenario where Putin might secretly agitate and encourage the 50% that don’t appreciate Zero to rise up, with a little help. I’m sure his spies have identified this as a way to divide and conquer from within. Just spit-balling here though.


11 posted on 03/24/2014 6:07:45 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: Cen-Tejas

Its a good thing we’re not drastically cutting our military.


12 posted on 03/24/2014 6:08:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

That is frightening to anticipate!


13 posted on 03/24/2014 6:13:52 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: kristinn
Russia would be crushed in a conventional war with NATO, and no one likely knows that more than Putin. No it wouldn't be easy, and millions would likely die (even without going nuclear), but Russia would be crushed.

Russia simply doesn't have the numbers to fight such a war, and it most certainly doesn't have the conventional weapons or infrastructure to quickly make them.

NATO doesn't have the forces in being for such a large front war either, but they would fair much better than the Russians on the expanses of Poland and Belarus, where the large tank battles would rage. In the south, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria are sharp hilled geography sprinkled with tiber patches and pillbox-like houses. Ivan would have a very tough go of it, against those peoples, where willingness to fight would make all the difference. Ivan would also have to contend with some really pissed off Ukrainians overlooking his supply lines.

The Baltic states might get taken before they could be protected, but I wouldn't count Sweden and Finland out of the game, just because they aren't NATO. And China might just decide it was time to annex a good sized chuck of Siberia, while everything was sorting out in the west.

Once again, the Poles would do a lot of the fighting and the dying.

14 posted on 03/24/2014 6:14:07 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: kristinn

Russia, flexing its muscles and begins to choke itself.

Putin, ya azzhat, you act like a two bit rogue state and you get treated like one.


15 posted on 03/24/2014 6:18:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: kristinn
Note that this talk is coming from McFaul, the Obamanoid ambassador to Russia the last five years, when the regime was totally butchering foreign policy. McFaul and his band of bunglers from State would like nothing more than to divert attention and blame to focus on Putin instead of their own incompetence and failure.
16 posted on 03/24/2014 7:47:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Russia is happy McFaul packed his bags and went home. No love lost there obviously.


17 posted on 03/24/2014 7:57:47 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: SampleMan

18 posted on 03/24/2014 7:59:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

Russia will start looking for new friends now. Three guesses who’s first on the list.


19 posted on 03/24/2014 8:01:01 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: kristinn

Dang, for an Ambassador to Russia who resigned just last month, this McFaul guy comes down on Putin very hard. (Is it ok to post a link to McFaul’s op ed in NYT?)

Then again, back in 1994, it appears that some hard line Russkis arranged for a gunshot through his office window, so he’s probably under no illusions, unlike some here...

Interesting history on (former) Ambassador McFaul:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_McFaul


20 posted on 03/24/2014 8:23:53 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.; All

Also, likely slanted, but still useful background:

http://news.stanford.edu/pr/01/mcfaulprofile1128.html

My reading is that of a guy who left work he loved because he was fed up with his bosses. The criticism of US foreign policy implicit in his NYT piece is pretty strong, if one looks (reads) carefully at all.


21 posted on 03/24/2014 8:31:16 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: SampleMan

Russian agents could incite the muslims in Europe to go bananas against the rest of the population before it is all over.


22 posted on 03/24/2014 8:43:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Ciexyz

Eh, China?


23 posted on 03/24/2014 9:09:18 PM PDT by virgil
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To: CorporateStepsister

Because it only makes sense. Ditto assassinations of specific civilians: technocrats, CEOs, our nomenklatura and their families. Ditto physical attacks on the grid and cyberwarfare. Opening a front with Mexicans north and south of the border would be another option, given what American drug money has done to them, Fast and Furious etc. that could be whipped up without too much effort.

Obamacon bloodeaters keep telling themselves that today’s NATO will cut the “Soviets” down like wheat in a contained European Theater. I rather doubt it would be so easy.

We destroyed Serbia with ease, Libya with difficulty, and failed in Syria. Russia is going to leave some marks.

The upside I suppose, at least for the domestic tyrants large and small who oppress us, it will give them the cover to impose martial law which they have been working towards for about a generation now.


24 posted on 03/24/2014 9:23:57 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Russian agents could incite the muslims in Europe to go bananas against the rest of the population before it is all over.”

That is our card. The Chechens and others within RF territory and along their southern border. It has already been encouraged by one of the Kiev putschists.


25 posted on 03/24/2014 9:25:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: catbertz; Vinylly; bayliving

He’s putting it all into place, clever chess master that he is. Meanwhile our government worries about various other stupid stuff like organic lunches.


26 posted on 03/24/2014 9:32:55 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Psalm 144

I THINK Putin isn’t a Soviet, as much as an old style Russian warlord with ambitions to make himself czar. It would not surprise me that he has a hankering for a throne and if he hypes himself enough, the Russian people will determinedly clamor for him to become their leader and surrender any CHANCE of a free constitutional republic.


27 posted on 03/24/2014 9:35:12 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: SampleMan

You’re right.

I do think though that Putin has grand ambitions and he is likely planning on some kind of conquest.

So, he’s making an unconventional war via incremental ‘annexations.’ Unlike Hitler he won’t use upfront war methods, but they will be far more Byzantine. Something is up with him and you can practically hear the buzzing going on as he racks his brain to figure out how to win, I know that much.


28 posted on 03/24/2014 9:38:50 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Pretty much agree.


29 posted on 03/24/2014 9:44:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Paul R.

Odd combo being both Obama’s guy and a Hoover fellow. Wonder where he really comes down today.


30 posted on 03/24/2014 9:57:12 PM PDT by EDINVA
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