UKRAINE: Pres Yanukovych associates in jail and give evidence

It all seems like who’s the bigger crook
pro-Russian guy
pro-Ukrainian woman Tymoshenko (girl with the braid)
both are corrupt as hell
I really can’t get hot and bothered over Ukie
nationalists

They had best have their bug out plans finalized before mom comes storming back with a few thousand Russian T90s...

They caused the coup cuz they knew it was unlikely that they would win the election which were only a few months away. Heard she’s going to run for President. Same folks who ran the Orange rev in 2004.

“I really can’t get hot and bothered over Ukie nationalists”

Yanukovych was an intelligence asset working for Putin’s Russian regime and its Communist faction of the Russian FSB secret police. Putin has used his former KGB apparatus to maneuver Boris Yeltsin and his mob family of corrupt oligarchs and officials into putting Putin into control of Russia and Russia’s oil and gas industries.

Having coopted the Russian mob activities to his own purpose, Putin and his KGB/FSB secret police used Ukrainian mob members such as Yanukovich and the Prosecutor General to gain significant influence or actual partial control of the Ukrainian government. As Putin’s puppet Yanukovich benefited from the embezzlements of billions of dollars of Ukrainian government revenues just as Putin and Yeltsin had been doing so in Russia. Putin’s ultimate goal was to use Yanukovich as his Ukrainian puppet long enough to keep the EU and NATO out of the Ukraine and bring about the circumstances necessary to gain direct Russian rule over the Ukraine by political coup under the guise of cleaning up the Ukrainian corruption he helped to create or by invasion if all else failed. once that objective had been achieved, Putin was to dispense with the services of Yanukovych in much the same manner as Putin had done so with most of the Russian oligarchs and mobsters no longer of use to him.

Tymoshenko is a Ukrainian mobster rival to Putin’s Ukrainian mobsters. Lost in the conflict between the Russian and Ukrainian mobster and Communist conflicts are the long suffering people of Ukraine who want to become free of all this corruption and the Fascists once and for all. Unfortunately, they must for the present continue to be represented by the Deputies of their parliament until efforts can be made to change the old order, if feasible at all. Putin, however, is determined to not give the people of the Ukraine the opportunity to remove the kleptocrats, traitors, and Fascists from their government; because doing so could threaten his own corrupt regime in Russia by giving the Russian people the idea of freeing themselves in a similar manner as the Ukrainians.

Lost in the conflict between the Russian and Ukrainian mobster and Communist conflicts are the long suffering people of Ukraine who want to become free of all this corruption and the Fascists once and for all. Unfortunately, they must for the present continue to be represented by the Deputies of their parliament until efforts can be made to change the old order, if feasible at all. Putin, however, is determined to not give the people of the Ukraine the opportunity to remove the kleptocrats, traitors, and Fascists from their government; because doing so could threaten his own corrupt regime in Russia by giving the Russian people the idea of freeing themselves in a similar manner as the Ukrainians.

Yup, lost in the suffering conflict are the ~50 million people of Ukraine. And if Putin takes control, the interests of the people will be buried further.

"...It all seems like who’s the bigger crook pro-Russian guy pro-Ukrainian woman Tymoshenko (girl with the braid)..." Don't worry about Yulia because even if she is not as squeaky clean as we would like she is much cleaner than Hillary. And there is no moral equivalency between Yanukovych and Tymoshenko. The later was imprisoned for political reasons while Yanukovych was a career criminal with a record including rape and two stints in prison.

Tymoshenko and Klitschko photo TymoshenkoandKlitschko_zps7e31e399.jpg

...."corrupt as hell Tymoshenko (girl with the braid)".... The 'daughter of former Ukrainian Premier' Yulia Tymoshenko...Putin sure likes her...he's usually stoned face...the two do have a way of looking at each other

(.....”Tymoshenko is a Ukrainian mobster rival to Putin’s Ukrainian mobsters”....)

Isn’t she generally quite popular with the people?..or is she a female Don in her own right that handles her political PR on the softer side. She does embrace the finer things of life no doubt.

Either or it doesn’t look like Ukraine’s going to have much change in who oversees their governing affairs if she wins the vote....she helped bankrupt the country, though she is favored by the US I understand.

Meanwhile... Anti-Putin activists left for Russia this past week to organize further protests against Putin. Likely he has banned public protests for the tensions in Ukraine.

Like so many voters in the United States voting for populist Democrats or corrupt Establishment Republican RINO political leaders, many Ukrainian voters choose anyone who is anti-Russian, anti-Putin, or simply the lesser of two evils until a bettr choice becomes avaialable. We have the same problem here in the United States with voters having only the lesser of two evils for a choice. This political manipulation is in keeping with the observation, that if you want to herd the livestock into the slaughterpen, you close off all opportunities to select a path away from the slaughterpen until there is no place else to go but inside the slaughterpen where the gate can shut them in for the upcoming slaughter. So it is in politics, when the two or more evils contest who gets to herd the livestock into the slaughterpen while jointly denying those who would be free to have any voice or influence on being free of their evil political machinations.

I really can’t get hot and bothered over Ukie nationalists *********************************************************** I agree with you but I also remember how one of America's other idiot presidents drug us into a war that cost 58,000 of our sons and a Trillion 1960's and 70's dollars. The "how" is below. It does worry me that beset by millions of American's that want to impeach him, and even dems turning on him, that he is our Commander in Chief constitutionally in charge of all our armed forces. We could all be in a huge war by this time tomorrow! This clown (Obama) is bold and arrogant enough to do it. Then, hmmmm........"weapons of mass destruction" anybody????? So, to be certain, we are in a dangerous time...........very dangerous!!!! Please all who read the below wiki excerpt note the "lie" about "naval gunfire on August 4 that never happened". Again, ONE big LIE and we are at WAR again with a RETARD at the helm of it!!! Gulf of Tonkin Incident Tonkingunboats.jpg Photo taken from USS Maddox during the incident, showing three North Vietnamese motor torpedo boats Date August 2, 1964 Location Gulf of Tonkin 19°42′N 106°46′ECoordinates: 19°42′N 106°46′E Result Gulf of Tonkin Resolution; escalation of the War in Vietnam Belligerents United States North Vietnam Commanders and leaders George S. Morrison Le Duy Khoai[1] Strength Sea: 1 aircraft carrier, 1 destroyer Air: 4 aircraft[2] 3 torpedo boats Casualties and losses 1 destroyer slightly damaged, 1 aircraft slightly damaged[3] 1 torpedo boat severely damaged, 2 torpedo boats moderately damaged, 4 killed, 6 wounded[4] Military engagements of the Vietnam War The Gulf of Tonkin Incident (or the USS Maddox Incident) is the name given to two separate confrontations involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox, while performing a signals intelligence patrol as part of DESOTO operations, engaged three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron.[1] A sea battle resulted, in which the Maddox expended over two hundred and eighty 3-inch and 5-inch shells, and in which four USN F-8 Crusader jet fighter bombers strafed the torpedo boats. One US aircraft was damaged, one 14.5 mm round hit the destroyer, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, and four North Vietnamese sailors were killed and six were wounded; there were no U.S. casualties.[5] It was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency that the second Tonkin Gulf incident occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks. The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression." The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam. In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2: At 1500G, Captain Herrick ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.[7] Regarding August 4: It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[8] The Gulf of Tonkin incident has long been accused of being a false flag operation.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Contents [hide] either, but remembering the

I can agree....

.....our elections are pretty much like that, which is why I can’t exactly take sides in these happenings...unfortunately the Ukranians are the ones who will “hurt” the most in the end. It’s going to be a long hall for them to recover....especially with the Eu involved and determining what happens thus far...

I don’t think the current Ukraine Gov. has the ability to determine the future of their country..and the next one isn’t going do much for them if history keeps repeating itself.

Some things never really change...just different faces as we in this country well know.

"...This political manipulation is in keeping with the observation, that if you want to herd the livestock into the slaughterpen, you close off all opportunities to select a path away from the slaughterpen until there is no place else to go but inside the slaughterpen where the gate can shut them in for the upcoming slaughter...."

That is, unfortunately, a VERY astute observation and accurate description of the way of things. I've not heard it put like that before, but you pretty much placed the image in my head from now on.

“...I really can’t get hot and bothered over Ukie
nationalists...”

Well, from the perspective of us potentially being pushed into the same position as these people, trying to rid themselves of the jackboot, maybe it’s not so much “hot and bothered” as much as it is just paying attention to what the ordinary folks on the ground there are saying, thinking, and doing.

Here’s a first-hand look at what is going on there, from a young lady photographer - at the street level. If you click on the links down the center of the page, it starts from December 2013 right up until March 22 2014.

http://www.elenafilatova.com/index.html

Maydan pt 1 through pt 4 are particularly brutal.

This lady also did a photojournal essay of Chernobyl and the dead city of Pripyat - by riding her motorcycle through it and photographing it. She was also there taking pictures during the Orange Revolution of ten years ago as well.

Most of those photos are on her site as well (left side links).

I think it matters to us - not from the political power players aspect of things - but from the ordinary Joe aspect, because we may find ourselves in the same predicament.

Pay attention to the photos of these people going up against the phalanx of riot shields and guns, under constant sniper fire from security forces, being killed...

Yet, there they are... all for what they believe in.