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Lost Jetís Path Seen as Altered via Computer
The New York Times ^ | Monday, March 18, 2014 | Matthew L. Wald and Michael S. Schmidt

Posted on 03/17/2014 6:59:33 PM PDT by kristinn

The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

The fact that the turn away from Beijing was programmed into the computer has reinforced the belief of investigators — first voiced by Malaysian officials — that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved. It has also increased their focus on the plane’s captain and first officer.

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According to investigators, it appears that a waypoint was added to the planned route. Pilots do that in the ordinary course of flying if air traffic controllers tell them to take a different route, to avoid weather or traffic. But in this case, the waypoint was far off the path to Beijing.

Whoever changed the plane’s course would have had to be familiar with Boeing aircraft, though not necessarily the 777 — the type of plane that disappeared. American officials and aviation experts said it was far-fetched to believe that a passenger could have reprogrammed the Flight Management System.

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KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/17/2014 6:59:33 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

kristinn, I read somewhere there was a flight engineer on-board that night. Don’t have a link.


2 posted on 03/17/2014 7:03:56 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: kristinn

My prediction:

Captain stabbed the co-pilot, went nuts and crashed the plane into the Indian ocean.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 7:04:49 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kristinn

4 posted on 03/17/2014 7:05:22 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: kristinn

Very good ... we’re getting more details all the time that show this was an exquisitely and impeccably planned event.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 7:12:24 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kristinn

So it was the Captain, with a computer, in the cockpit is my “Clue” answer. But where’s the plane?


6 posted on 03/17/2014 7:15:21 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: kristinn

Oh great, now the TSA will ban laptops on planes.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 7:16:36 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Star Traveler

Is there any way that someone could have entered the course direction into the computer from a remote location?


8 posted on 03/17/2014 7:17:10 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: JouleZ

The computer that changed course was already built into the plane.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 7:18:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kristinn; a fool in paradise
was most likely programmed by someone

most likely = hell, if we know!

10 posted on 03/17/2014 7:19:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Grams A

If it can connect to a network it can be hacked.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 7:22:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: no-to-illegals

I heard about the flight engineer for the first time today on top-of-the-hour radio news.

So why have they been witholding this piece of info?


12 posted on 03/17/2014 7:23:01 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Grams A

The article says there are two ways - the pilot and the airline. However if it was the airline, that would be quite a big conspiracy - saying that the airline wanted to divert its own plane. And ... if that sort of thing happened, with the pilot not being “in on it” - then he would take control and override the control.

In this case, you can be assured it came from the cockpit and that it was someone who knew very well how to handle the equipment.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 7:23:28 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SecondAmendment

To insure everyone’s safety - next TSA is going to ban passengers from planes, as well as pilots and flight crews.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 7:23:37 PM PDT by tahoeblue
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To: txhurl

I saw it reported before today.


15 posted on 03/17/2014 7:24:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kristinn; maggief; WildHighlander57; crosslink

More details than what was on Kelly tonight on FOX


16 posted on 03/17/2014 7:24:22 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: no-to-illegals

(Reuters) - Malaysian police are investigating a flight engineer who was among the
passengers on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane as they focus on the pilots and anyone
else on board who had technical flying knowledge, a senior police official said.

The aviation engineer is Mohd Khairul Amri Selamat, 29, a Malaysian who has said on
social media he had worked for a private jet charter company.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/17/malaysia-airlines-engineer-idUSL2N0ME04O20140317


17 posted on 03/17/2014 7:24:26 PM PDT by deport
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To: SecondAmendment

The change in course wasn’t from a laptop computer ... :-) ...


18 posted on 03/17/2014 7:25:34 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: tahoeblue

That’s a good idea! Then the TSA can shut itself down and turn out the lights at the airports.


19 posted on 03/17/2014 7:27:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

So this FO was on the pax manifest?


20 posted on 03/17/2014 7:28:30 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: kristinn

Sounds like some idiot reporter learned of the Flight Management System and just wanted to sound smart by using it in an article.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 7:31:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: txhurl

The article I saw only said that there was a flight engineer in the cockpit. So, that information was provided previous to today.


22 posted on 03/17/2014 7:33:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: KoRn

Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, a tale of a muzzie trip, that started from this muzzie ‘port aboard this muzzie ship!


23 posted on 03/17/2014 7:33:42 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: kristinn

Here is my question(If anyone here knows the answer that would be great) let’s say just for the sake of argument, that there was some catastrophic mechanical failure event taking place on the plane..would putting in this flight path on the computer make sense..or would the pilot just take the plane off of auto pilot and start flying back to an airport, any airport in the immediate area? I think it would be the most interesting to know WHEN the Pre-programmed U-Turn was programmed, BEFORE the flight or AFTER the flight was in the air..if it was before the plane ever took off that is the big game changer


24 posted on 03/17/2014 7:34:41 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: CodeToad

Except for this phrase ... “according to senior American officials.”


25 posted on 03/17/2014 7:36:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If there is an emergency in flying the plane, you don’t try to control it remotely. The pilot would take control immediately.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 7:39:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: JouleZ

“So it was the Captain, with a computer”

No, it was the flight director which is built into the aircraft.

Every commercial aircraft has one and a lot of private aircraft do also.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 7:39:50 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Viennacon

Nahhh.. Flight software was probably altered even before aircraft left the ground and at some point, no matter what the pilots did it had no effect. The guy flying the plane was probably sitting in the passenger section via his laptop or perhaps in another country flying the aircraft remotely. Commands by the pilots were probably futile as they were locked-out completely. Part of the evil hack probably included killing their voice communications from the cockpit to ATC after ‘alright, good night’. You buyin?


28 posted on 03/17/2014 7:39:52 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Star Traveler

I’ll make a bet with you.

If it is used in some kind of terrorist attack, I bet the Obama adm. will have some version of the “spontaneous” lie to explain the timing of the attack itself.

Not the taking the plan as “spontaneous” but the attack itself.


29 posted on 03/17/2014 7:40:04 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Star Traveler

That’s what I thought, that if something horrible is happening on board mechanically, they wouldn’t even bother to do this, they would take the plane to the nearest airport, not bother punching in some fly path


30 posted on 03/17/2014 7:40:49 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Surely the pilot can take back manual control in such a situation. A plane hack?


31 posted on 03/17/2014 7:41:54 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kristinn

I would love to know how they know this.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 7:42:22 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Viennacon
Surely the pilot can take back manual control in such a situation


33 posted on 03/17/2014 7:42:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Star Traveler

Yeah, but the computer that changed course may have received it’s orders from another computer, just like in Internetland.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 7:42:43 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: tahoeblue

That would solve the problem. Or put them out with sleeping gas.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 7:44:14 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: Star Traveler

Except that phrase means nothing. Might as well have said, “I am making this stuff up.”


36 posted on 03/17/2014 7:44:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: kristinn

Seems to me I heard this a day or two ago. Maybe it was speculation at that time. Hard to keep track.


37 posted on 03/17/2014 7:44:28 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: JouleZ

I want to know why this particular plane, and or particular flight? Why steal THIS plane?

For cargo? For plane? For passenger(s)?


38 posted on 03/17/2014 7:44:55 PM PDT by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: Star Traveler

Especially this ace pilot.

I’m pretty committed to the wreckage/debris field off Pulau Palax, but this engineer changes everything. I think the pilot would have done everything to recover control, unless someone incapacitated him.


39 posted on 03/17/2014 7:45:03 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Viennacon

Mine: Plane was headed for Diego Garcia. It was intercepted and shot down. This happened during several golf games that included some precise mulligans. The specifics are sealed forever. Next EO?


40 posted on 03/17/2014 7:46:01 PM PDT by mcshot (Their fraud is malignant, deep, unending and perilous.)
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To: roses of sharon

I heard this touched on, maybe with a tank full, it could go a long way so I think it is for the plane. They spoke about this some on Megyn Kelly’s show.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 7:46:45 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: SecondAmendment

42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:46:47 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Viennacon
Surely the pilot can take back manual control in such a situation. A plane hack?

Probably attempting to sign up online for Obamacare. "If you have an airline pilot, you can keep your airline pilot".

43 posted on 03/17/2014 7:47:53 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The first thing (of any kind) that disappears is never found. That’s how stuff works. By the third or fourth disappearance, the authorities and international experts will have figured out the whole mystery, you’ll see. Patience.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 7:48:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Has anyone really disproved this gentleman’s statement?
http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/843248398.jpg?1394594087

Could a rogue military pilot, say from Viet Nam have purposely collide with the 777.
Just remember 09/10/2001 no one could imagine what the scenario of the next day.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 7:48:46 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yeah ... and so, we can see that it was a very well planned event by someone (or several) who knew exactly how to fly the plane and knew very well how the systems worked.

And all that leads me to conclude that they did not fly the southern route (because there’s nothing but ocean there) - but took the northern route.

As to what the purpose of this planned event was (or is to be) - there’s not “any” information (i.e., facts related to this flight) on that - that I’ve seen in any article so far.


46 posted on 03/17/2014 7:48:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: KoRn

What I want to know is, why the let Hines Ward fly the plane?

47 posted on 03/17/2014 7:49:14 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: TADSLOS

Obamacare new slogan : If you can sign up for Obamacare above 45,000, you can do it everywhere


48 posted on 03/17/2014 7:49:44 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Star Traveler

I saw this on the news the other day, and the thought came to mind, that if this pilot, had all this equipment in his home, he probably knew a lot about flying planes and all the "equipment" that is now being talked about.
49 posted on 03/17/2014 7:50:09 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. ~ Albert Einstein)
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A gem.


50 posted on 03/17/2014 7:50:12 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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