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Crimea referendum: Wide condemnation after region votes to split from Ukraine
Fox News ^ | 16 Mar 2014

Posted on 03/16/2014 5:16:44 PM PDT by mandaladon

Crimean voters on Sunday overwhelmingly backed a referendum to secede from Ukraine and join Russia, in an election denounced by the United States, Europe and the Ukrainian government as illegal and destabilizing.

Fireworks exploded and Russian flags fluttered above jubilant crowds after the vote, which election officials said stood at 95 percent with more than half of the ballots counted.

The vote, the final results of which were not expected until Monday, offered voters on the strategic Black Sea peninsula the choice of seeking annexation by Russia or remaining in Ukraine with greater autonomy.

Opponents of secession appeared to largely stay away Sunday, denouncing the vote as a cynical power play/land grab by Russia. But turnout was reported to be well above the 50 percent that would make the referendum binding -- and secession was expected to be approved overwhelmingly.

"We want to go back home, and today we are going back home," said Viktoria Chernyshova, a 38-year-old businesswoman. "We needed to save ourselves from those unprincipled clowns who have taken power in Kiev."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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It's a done deal and there's nothing we can do about it.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 5:16:44 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Frankly, it should have been done in 1994, in exchange for Ukraine keeping their nukes.

But then we are talking about the inept Clinton administration here, who also broke up Yugoslavia.


2 posted on 03/16/2014 5:18:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. I don’t get why everyone is all in an uproar over it.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 5:19:18 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: dfwgator

why are posting thug putin propaganda here ?
you are dangerous fool.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 5:20:30 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

You don’t think giving up Crimea in exchange for keeping their nukes, would have been a good deal for Ukraine?


5 posted on 03/16/2014 5:21:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MarMema

because a Soviet kgb thug has invaded its neigbor and is recreating the new iron curtain.

you dont care millions were just ovetaken by a KGB thug who kills or imprisions his enemies !


6 posted on 03/16/2014 5:23:33 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: dfwgator

The Russians want the entire Soviet block back!
He is not stopping in Crimea !
Kiev is next.

Read the propaganda war the Putin thug is running.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/15/russias-propaganda-war-on-ukraine-reaches-soviet-levels-ahead-of-crimea-vote/
the agreement was made with a decent man named Yeltsin not a kbg thug.

Putin seized power and the agreement is dead.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 5:27:52 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: mandaladon
No. It's not done, yet.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 5:29:31 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ncalburt

And John McCain is in Ukraine laying wreaths and hanging out with Svoboda Nazi’s. It’s a wonderful day in the neighborhood, would you bomb my neighbor?


9 posted on 03/16/2014 5:31:08 PM PDT by floriduh voter (My ducks are not on the menu. They're funny looking dogs.)
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To: mandaladon

The solution to this is: (1) Finlandization, i.e., Ukraine as a border state will be neutral and not be split in half by Russia nor join NATO; and (2) Federalization, i.e., Ukraine gives some autonomy to its regions with respect for minorities and languages.

U.S. should not have supported violent overthrow of a freely-elected government. It was stupid. Elections were coming next year and this should have decided things.

Russia wants to avoid anti-Russian crazies from West Ukraine turning Crimea into a NATO base.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 5:31:14 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

But it’s going to be turned into a NATO base anyway. That is a done deal.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 5:33:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: mandaladon

Oh I am sure that there will be a pack baying to go to war over it, and fight to the last drop of someone else’s blood. It is a required reflex in the NWO.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 5:41:25 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: mandaladon
Is Obama golfing today, or at a fund raiser.
13 posted on 03/16/2014 5:44:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mandaladon
This was a given from the get-go. Crimea has always been Russian-leaning.

But now Russia has lost influence among Ukrainians...because the most influential Russians in Ukraine were in Crimea.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 5:46:05 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: mandaladon

now the ethnic cleansing starts


15 posted on 03/16/2014 5:46:08 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: RoosterRedux

Ukraine needed to split. You can’t have two peoples at each other’s throats living under the same roof.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 5:47:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mandaladon
"We needed to save ourselves from those unprincipled clowns who have taken power in Kiev."

Well, I can relate to that.

17 posted on 03/16/2014 5:50:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: ncalburt
I would rather hear thug Putin agitprop than that of Obama.

Perhaps you are dangerous.

Or perhaps you would want to don your tranny military uniform and compete with Obama's trannies for who is cutest and most talented (see Kadena).

If Obama is America...I'm moving!

18 posted on 03/16/2014 5:50:55 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: mandaladon

Who cares? Russians belong in Russia. Yawn. Too bad Obama doesn’t take OUR borders as seriously as he does Ukraine’s.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 5:52:48 PM PDT by montag813
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To: mandaladon

They’re ringing the bells now ... they’ll be wringing their hands soon enough.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 5:55:55 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: mandaladon

We fet what we pay for excusing linerals for fpevery thing.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 5:57:40 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: mandaladon

There is plenty than can be done and should be done about it. It is time to help the Russian people to remove the criminal element in their government with an internal regime change and put Russia back on the road to a real democratic republic.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 5:58:11 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
It is time to help the Russian people to remove the criminal element in their government with an internal regime change and put Russia back on the road to a real democratic republic.

Then we can do the same here.

23 posted on 03/16/2014 5:58:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Indeed. it does not help that Soros EU push was in the funding of Politicians in ukraine to fatten his business on the back of murdered Ukrainian protestors.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 5:59:17 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: ncalburt; dfwgator
why are posting thug putin propaganda here ? you are dangerous fool.

How dare you impugn a seasoned veteran like dfwgator. YOU are the fool. Do you want military action, like the perpetual warmonger McCain? Did you support the un-constitutional mob overthrow of the previously elected Ukrainian leader? There's no "good guy" here, doofus.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 5:59:22 PM PDT by montag813
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To: floriduh voter

Tell me I am shocked. The Soros club complains of Crimea but stil wont lay the blame on their Darling Obama.


26 posted on 03/16/2014 6:00:51 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: WhiskeyX

We need to concentrate on removing the criminal element from our Government first. The Russians can handle their own problems.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 6:01:46 PM PDT by sport
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To: dfwgator
Ukraine needed to split. You can’t have two peoples at each other’s throats living under the same roof.

Overseas forums in the not to distant future:

United States needed to split. You can’t have two peoples at each other’s throats living under the same roof.

28 posted on 03/16/2014 6:05:55 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: ncalburt

The Ukraine should be Russian!

The goons that threw out the elected president,who fled to Russia, were financed by obama.

Anything that would destroy the European Union would be a good thing!


29 posted on 03/16/2014 6:05:58 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Yep, it could very well come down to that.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 6:10:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mandaladon

In 20 years, after we grant amnesty to all the illegal aliens, California will likely vote to secede from the US and join Mexico. This will be followed by Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 6:22:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: mandaladon

32 posted on 03/16/2014 6:23:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: mandaladon
It's a done deal and there's nothing we can do about it.

Correct!

Just one more bite and Vlad will settle back for awhile.

He will very shortly make moves to take the grey area in this map.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 6:23:16 PM PDT by henbane
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To: dfwgator

This is terrible! Only Victoria Nuland should be allowed to decide the fate of those people. /sarc


34 posted on 03/16/2014 6:26:00 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: ncalburt

After NATO did pretty much the same thing by creating Kosovo I hardly think we have any room to be critical.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 6:28:58 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: montag813; ncalburt; dfwgator

Agreed; dfwgator is one of the more astute posters on this forum. I don’t lightly disregard his opinions. He has good reasons for them and should not be flamed.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 6:29:20 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: dfwgator

Obama’s rise to power in the United States was orchestrated by Saudi financing and Soviet-Russian support through the KGB/FSB and his Kenyan cousin’s Communist training by the Communist East German STASI secret police. The Chicago Communists sponsored his standing for election in Illinois, and the illegal vote fraud agaisnt his former Communist Illinois politician and sponsor.

Putin’s move to conquer the former Soviet Socialist Republics in Georgia, Ukraine, and future nations is likely prompted by Putin’s assumption the window of opportunity will close by the November 2014 U.S. midterm elections. If Obama and the Democrats lose control of the U.S. Senate, Obama could be impeached and removed from office at worst, or the Senate could severely impede Obama’s ability to influence U.S. policies until he is no longer POTUS after 2016. The “flexibility” Obama was inadvertently overheard to offer in a meeting with Putin will be lost, so Putin is motivated to throw off the mask and reveal his true intent and ambitions for conquest now.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 6:29:57 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: mandaladon

One question that remains is how the Soros Obsessives and Alex Jones followers decide that their hero George Soros has been involved. I mean, we know that Soros directed the Maidan uprising, that has been established. Now, is he also behind this Crimea referendum or not?


38 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: MarMema
After NATO did pretty much the same thing by creating Kosovo I hardly think we have any room to be critical.

I guess what we did in Kosovo is ok, then.

39 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ncalburt
I agree that Putin is a bully and can be a tyrant but again, we have no room to be critical. What we did to Yugoslavia under Klintoon was far worse - supporting the thug we had previously had on a terrorist list - and now - well now Kosovo is the premier drug running, human slave market in Europe. I doubt that Crimea will become such a blight and such a horror for humanity as Kosovo has become...

So, yawn. I fail to get too worked up about this...everything really is relative.

40 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:31 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: 1rudeboy
No it was far from ok. And the outcome has been much worse than anything that will come of this.

In another grim milestone for the United States and NATO, the Council of Europe (COE) released an explosive report last week, “Inhuman treatment of people and illicit trafficking in human organs in Kosovo.” The report charged that former Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) boss and current Prime Minister, Hashim Thaçi, “is the head of a ‘mafia-like’ Albanian group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe,” The Guardian disclosed. According to a draft resolution unanimously approved December 16 in Paris, the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights found compelling evidence of forced disappearances, organ trafficking, corruption and collusion between criminal gangs and “political circles” in Kosovo who just happen to be close regional allies of the United States.

So which is the pot and which is the kettle?

41 posted on 03/16/2014 6:36:12 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: dfwgator

If I were you I would be very careful about buying into that vote.

I don’t believe that out come for a second.

There are most certainly people in Crimea who do not want to be back under Russian control. They aren’t appearing in the vote. Why is that?

Right there you have reason to believe this vote was a fraud, used to justify Vlad’s disgusting actions.

We have bought into this so fully, that it’s obvious more of the Ukraine is on the chopping block.

This is NOT good.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 6:36:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: MarMema

After NATO did pretty much the same thing by creating Kosovo I hardly think we have any room to be critical.


Moral relativism is a favorite diversion of the left. You are standing with code pinkos. Enjoy.


43 posted on 03/16/2014 6:37:13 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: montag813
Who cares? Russians belong in Russia. Yawn. Too bad Obama doesn’t take OUR borders as seriously as he does Ukraine’s.

Bravo.

44 posted on 03/16/2014 6:38:13 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

If Kosovo was not ok, then Crimea is not ok. If Crimea is ok, then Kosovo is ok. Pot, kettle.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 6:38:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MarMema

And Mexicans belong in Mexico, don’t forget.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 6:39:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lodi90
Says you. Hypocrisy is obvious here. Where were you when we were bombing the Serbs?

There was not even a vote then. We simply cut away part of their country and handed it to a former terrorist who has created within it a place of human misery that all of Europe detests. It is a place that makes Chechnya look like a holy land.

47 posted on 03/16/2014 6:40:50 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: lodi90

We opened that can of worms almost twenty years and now we’re ruing it.

A wrong doesn’t make a right but we have no real leg to stand on. Crimea’s fate is exactly the same as Kosovo. Neither the Russians nor we can do anything about the other situation.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 6:41:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: MarMema

Bravo! Brighton Beach oughta join Russia!


49 posted on 03/16/2014 6:42:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: henbane

He will very shortly make moves to take the grey area in this map.


There will be a full blown war if Putin moves on Mykolayiv and Odessa. He will stop with Crimea and let his pavement apes lose to reek havoc in Donetsk and Kharkiv. He wants an unstable Ukraine while he consolidates the Crimean gains.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 6:42:29 PM PDT by lodi90
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