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Radar Shows Plane Deliberately Flew Toward Indian Ocean: Reports
NBC News ^ | March 14, 2014 | Alastair Jamieson

Posted on 03/14/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by SatinDoll

Military radar evidence suggests the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner was deliberately flown west toward the Indian Ocean’s Andaman Islands, sources told Reuters on Friday as mounting evidence pointed to a criminal inquiry into Flight MH370.

Two sources told Reuters that an unidentified aircraft – believed by investigators to be the missing Boeing 777 - was following a route between navigational way-points, indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andamanislands; boeing777; dsj; flightmh370; india; indianocean; iran; malaysia; mh370; southchinasea; usa; waronterror
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To: robert14
The airline must pay a subscription fee to obtain the data. MAL was not a subscriber.

Since MAL was not a subscriber, this is probably a reporting system that even the pilots were not aware of. Whether the hijackers were the two MAL pilots or were passengers, when the hijackers turned off the transponders they probably had no idea about this other system pinging satellites periodically. So this satellited pinging mechanism was probably not turned off by the hijackers. Indeed, if they were aware of it and how to turn it off (if that is even possible), then they would have done so hours earlier when they turned the transponder off.

If that is the case, the plane crashed or landed somewhere in the flight radius between where the last ping occurred and when the next ping would have occurred.

21 posted on 03/14/2014 9:37:41 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: SatinDoll

Another twist and turn to the story. Reports are published then denied. Published again and denied. We are being jerked from the East coast to the West coast of Malaysia. This is definitely like a mystery novel. I can see a movie comming out after this is over. Quite the plot. Heck the first parts may already be written and are just waiting on the final outcome.


22 posted on 03/14/2014 9:39:17 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: robert14
The ACARS downloads an engine data report three times during every flight: at gear up, at cruise initiation (1:07 am), and gear down. The system was not disabled. The gear never came down so the final data report was never sent.

How do you know the ACARS was not disabled?

23 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:13 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Meet the New Boss

You got it. That is what actually happened. The remaining mystery is why the crew allowed it to happened.


24 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:26 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Bookmark


25 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:40 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: xzins

The airliner was highjacked between 1am - 130am early Saturday morning. By 6am they were far away from the Straits of Malaysia. They could have refueled and been out over the IO without anyone looking for them. If they went over India then they probably used false ID but I do not believe they did that. It has been six days since they disappeared with no one looking for them the first 36 hours. They might have stuck to open ocean, far from land.

My supposition has always been that they headed for a large landing strip on the Maldives Archipelago, then onto the Middle East. No one last weekend seems to have been looking for them in the western IO.


26 posted on 03/14/2014 9:42:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: zipper

I do not know. I do know that 2 of the 3 required reports were sent. The AHM was not disabled. So I assume likewise that the ACARS was not disabled. Even if it was disabled, we still know the approximate 777 ground track from the AHM and the satellite ground tracks.


27 posted on 03/14/2014 9:46:26 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: SatinDoll
In the end, we need to start using the RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance UAV and from 60,000 feet, use visble, infrared and ultraviolet spectrum cameras to search almost every square meter of land and sea within six hours' flight time of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to find the plane (or the remains of the plane).
28 posted on 03/14/2014 9:49:57 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: robert14

What is ACARS using to report status? Is it using SATCOM? If so, couldn’t it be disabled by a hostile crew? It’s farfetched but possible. As for AHM, are you saying it pings the Boeing servers even if the country isn’t a subscriber? Nevertheless, an Iridium transceiver could be disabled, too. Again, it would take a knowledgeable crew to do something like that, but I think that’s where the conspiracy theories are leading. If a terrorist crew was smart enough to take over the flight and fly it to a secret destination, they’d probably know about the on board systems.


29 posted on 03/14/2014 9:50:28 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: SatinDoll

Excellent points!

Bookmarking ....


30 posted on 03/14/2014 9:50:59 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: JimSEA
There are a dozen or so airfields on Indian Ocean islands that are predominantly Muslim. However I can’t really see a secret like a 777 being kept successfully.

Which of these fields have hangars big enough to hide a 777?

31 posted on 03/14/2014 9:54:43 AM PDT by stboz
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To: CitizenUSA

The Iridium transponder was not disabled. That was the source of the pings. The satellite cannot be controlled or disabled by a user. The ACARS would only tell us that the gear came down.


32 posted on 03/14/2014 9:57:53 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: CitizenUSA
What is ACARS using to report status? Is it using SATCOM?

Anything it can. SATCOM overwater, with HF secondary backup, again overwater, out of VHF range.

Simple to disable through circuit breakers in the cockpit.

AHM is a different system completely.

33 posted on 03/14/2014 9:57:55 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: robert14

This would seem to indicate that the plane has crashed since there was no third report (wheels down) from the system. I have a hard time believing the pilots, at least the FO, didn’t know about the AHM, even if MAL didn’t subscribe to the service.


34 posted on 03/14/2014 10:01:07 AM PDT by virgil
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To: zipper

Who cares about the ACARS? The final engine data report would have been triggered by the gear down event and would have provided some routine engine data. It’s the AHM ping data that tells us where the plane is.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 10:04:10 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: robert14

The reporting has been all over the map on this. Can you confirm/refute stories that state the AHM can:

- Send altitude data
- Send Direction of travel data
- Send positional data

Thanks


36 posted on 03/14/2014 10:05:39 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Meet the New Boss; robert14
"how to turn it off (if that is even possible)"

I believe all such power-related items on the a/c have an individual breaker that may be pulled manually.

That there wasn't a "gear down" data packet bodes seriously ill, I think. If that's correct, it would've had to belly-in somewhere, on the ocean or land. That the Mal-Asians probably aren't capable of mounting a dredging operation is a pretty strong indicator why the USN dispatched such a ship toward the Indian Ocean.

Would that be roughly where Muzzies surmise OBL's carcass to have been sent to Davey Jones' locker?

HF

37 posted on 03/14/2014 10:05:53 AM PDT by holden
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To: virgil

None of the 777 expert talking heads I have listened to for the past 6 days have even mentioned the AHM let alone how it works. I am an aerospace engineer and experienced pilot. I did not know about the AHM until I started google searching AHM and ping yesterday.


38 posted on 03/14/2014 10:08:43 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: lacrew

No, no, and no. If an airline does not subscribe, the data is not available. The tracking of the aircraft would be calculated via satellite ground tracks that actually received the pings from the Iridium transponder on the 777.


39 posted on 03/14/2014 10:13:17 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: SatinDoll
Probably landed in the Maldive's at Male Island (10,000ft runway)refueled and on to Iran. Did the copilot wait for the captain to leave the cockpit and let his Iranian buddies in, lock the door and put on oxygen, depressurize the cabin to kill the passengers and crew at altitude? Boeing 777 converted to a nuclear bomber soon on its way to Tel Aviv or New York.
40 posted on 03/14/2014 10:14:00 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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