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Trains Carrying Fracked Oil Could Pass Through More Bay Area Cities, Report Says
CBS 5 San Francisco ^ | 3/10/2014

Posted on 03/11/2014 1:53:52 AM PDT by Vendome

They are proposing to use exactly the same track for these hazardous cars. Totally unacceptable,” said Berkeley Vice Mayor Linda Maio.The hazardous cars Maio is talking about could carry a highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region of North Dakota. It is as flammable as gasoline: as we saw when a 100-car train carrying the fuel derailed in Quebec last summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alternate; bozo; energy; reality
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Oh Noes! Fracked oil is just terrible. So dangerous.

Will kill all of us!

You gotta read the full article.

Pure BS and absolute sensationalism.

Load of crock.

1 posted on 03/11/2014 1:53:52 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome
The oil doesn't get fracked, the rock does. Sheesh!

Idiot writer with an idiot agenda.

If it was truly "as flammable as gasoline", you'd never see it, 'cause we'd be burning it in the F-150, and cheap!

2 posted on 03/11/2014 1:58:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

Poorly written article.

Real slanted too. Notice Club Sierra “commissioning” a “scientist and engineer” to write comments to the EIS?

Something stinks to high heaven here.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 2:27:03 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Smokin' Joe

Didn’t think a person could put that much stupidity into one article but again the folks in Frisco have proven me wrong.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 2:32:46 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: sauropod
The article also ignores that the Lac Megantic incident wasn't caused by the oil, but by a train parked on a grade unattended with the brake pressure bleeding off. It freewheeled down grade into town, and derailed there.

Similarly, the derailment and fire near Casselton, ND happened when the train carrying crude oil collided with cars from another train which had derailed.

It isn't the oil that is the problem (other flammable and hazardous substances are hauled by trains every day--not just crude oil), it is a railroad operating safety issue.

5 posted on 03/11/2014 2:33:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Best argument in the world for approval of the XL pipeline.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 2:58:51 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Dusty Road
The sad part is not that these writers are the (at best) ill-informed purveyors of misinformation, so much as there are millions of people out there who do not know any better and lap this crap up.

That broad based ignorance and mental laziness is one of the greatest threats to America.

7 posted on 03/11/2014 3:18:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

High capacity, assault-style DOT-111 tank cars?


8 posted on 03/11/2014 3:33:05 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: dearolddad; thackney
While I agree the Keystone XL pipeline should be built, the XL pipeline will be primarily to transport Canadian oil (tar) sands crude from Alberta to refineries in the Southern US. That is a heavy crude which requires different refining regimens than the Bakken Crude, which is a lighter sweet crude with properties like the benchmark "West Texas Intermediate" crude oil. At any time, only about 100,000 BOPD of Bakken crude were anticipated to go into the XL pipeline at most, a fraction of the XL pipeline's 800,000 BOPD planned capacity, and at present only about a ninth of the Bakken production.

The Canadian crude may replace heavy oil feedstocks for US refineries which were set up to refine Venezuelan crude.

The refining processes are somewhat different for different (heavy vs. light, sweet vs. sour) crude oil, and the setup required varies also. (Thackney can explain the refining end better than I, I work in the drilling end of the industry).

A lot of Bakken crude oil is going to refineries where the Keystone XL pipeline just won't go.

Rail delivery is far more versatile in that regard, whether it be to refineries directly or to transhipment points where the crude is loaded onto barges.

The best argument for the Keystone line is the use of oil produced by our neighbor to the north, instead of that oil going to the Far East (and our dollars going to buy Middle Eastern Oil). Canadians haven't mounted raids against the US since 54.40 or fight, so I don't mind supporting their extractive industries, unlike some Middle Eastern nations which have been a drain on our blood and treasure for decades.

The Bakken crude has a higher distillate fraction than the Tar Sands crude, but nothing much different from West Texas Intermediate. It is no more dangerous than any other oil with similar properties, and coming from rock which has been hydraulically fractured has no bearing on those properties (some 94% of domestic oil production comes from wells which have been hydraulically fractured).

So, basically, this is a ranting hit piece which has little regard for chemistry, physics, geology, facts, or common sense, and has been slapped together to invoke the eeevil fracking spirits to strike terror into the hearts of anyone who sees a black tank car go by on the railroad tracks.

9 posted on 03/11/2014 3:42:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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I suppose it is infinitely safer and better for the environment to put the oil on ships, where a catastrophic failure only dumps the oil in the ocean.

< /sarc >


10 posted on 03/11/2014 4:02:12 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Smokin' Joe
highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region

And here is where the author declares complete lack of understand for the topic he is writing about.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 4:32:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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...highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region...

And here is where the author declares complete lack of understand for the topic he is writing about.

It's a she, but you are otherwise entirely correct.

And for the record, there is no "Bakken Region" in North Dakota.

There is a Bakken Formation in the Williston Basin, part of which is in North Dakota (The remainder is in Montana and Canada).

12 posted on 03/11/2014 4:59:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

So 4 false claims in 9 words.

At least she got one thing right, it is crude oil.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 5:03:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
We should keep count. I think the writer has set some sort of efficiency record for getting it wrong.

Maybe a Liar (or Dumba$$) of the Month Award...

14 posted on 03/11/2014 5:11:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

When they have to make false statements to make a point, they didn’t actually have a point in the first place.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 5:14:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I agree. However, that doesn't stop them from influencing the low-information folks out there in droves.

The whole idea behind that drivel is to gin up opposition to a process most people know little or nothing about, and to impede, in any way possible, industry in the US.

The Soviets invested (via the KGB) in environmental organizations in the 1970s with the hopeful goal of having a negative impact on Western Industry, and that investment has paid them better dividends than the investments made in their armed forces.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 5:21:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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You expect a TV reporter to have the skills to analyze information at the level of cause and effect??? You’re some kind of cockeyed optimist, SJ!!!


17 posted on 03/11/2014 5:23:08 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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So let’s just cut off shipments of all crude and refined oil products to San Franciso, with say a five hundred mile buffer zone just to keep them happy and safe.

Then in six months we can move in, level the ruined, looted, burned-out landscape and start over.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:46 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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they are such dick heads in SF


19 posted on 03/11/2014 5:25:41 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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No, all TV reporters generally know is journalism (pronounce the 'j' like a Norwegian).

It's a hit piece, emotional balderdash.

There was a time when the Average American had the background knowledge to realize that the article is crap, but I think it may have passed.

20 posted on 03/11/2014 5:27:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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