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Ukraine crisis: Crimea parliament asks to join Russia
BBC ^ | 6th March 2014 | BBC

Posted on 03/06/2014 2:47:48 AM PST by Zajko

Edited on 03/06/2014 5:26:38 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MPs in Crimea have asked Moscow to allow the southern Ukrainian region to become part of the Russian Federation.

Parliament said if its request was granted, Crimean citizens could give their view in a referendum on 16 March.

A government minister in Kiev said it would be unconstitutional for Crimea to join Russia.

Crimea, a region whose population is mostly ethnic Russian, has been at the centre of tensions following the fall of Ukraine's pro-Moscow president.

Pro-Russian and Russian forces have been in de facto control of the peninsula, which already enjoys a degree of autonomy from Kiev, for several days.

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1 posted on 03/06/2014 2:47:48 AM PST by Zajko
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To: Zajko

Not a surprise.

I expect it to be approved in the forthcoming referendum and then Crimea can accede to the Russian Federation under the new federal law being prepared to facilitate it.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 2:52:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Zajko
Putin has been too quiet. I'll bet something is in the planning stages.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 2:53:06 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: goldstategop

Indeed: all planned out very thoroughly. Putin plays chess, while certain others play tiddlywinks again.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 2:55:06 AM PST by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Zajko

There will be two questions on the ballots.

“The first one: Are you in favor of Crimea becoming a constituent territory of the Russian Federation.

The second one: Are you in favor of restoring Crimea’s 1992 constitution,” Temirgaliev said.

According to the 1992 constitution, the autonomous republic is part of Ukraine but has relations with Kiev, defined on the basis of mutual agreements.

Sevastopol residents will take part in the referendum, despite the city enjoying a special status and not officially being a part of Crimea, according to Sergey Shuvainikov, a Crimean MP.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 2:58:47 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Zajko; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; LucyT

Saint Obama has miraculously brought about the self determination via democracy of an ethnic Ukrainian minority.......................THE RUSSIANS!

Its immmaculate annexation!

All Hail Saint Obama!

He is the WON!

( Double, even triple sarc.)


6 posted on 03/06/2014 2:59:37 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Zajko

The referendum date has been moved up again from March 30 to March 16.

Kiev says its unconstitutional but its powerless to prevent the vote from being held under Russian protection.

And since it would have democratic legitimacy, Russia can then approve the accession of Crimea to the Motherland in response to wish of most of its people, who are ethnic Russian.

Kiev may be technically correct but its hard for it to argue the territory can’t vote to join Russia and nothing prevents Russia from making it de jure Russian territory after the referendum result is published.

Of course - just waiting for a hypocritical West to denounce it in 3, 2, 1...


7 posted on 03/06/2014 3:01:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Zajko

How do we stop these people from expressing their own free will?


8 posted on 03/06/2014 3:17:25 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Zajko

It isn’t a very complicated ploy. The U.S. is facing the same outcome, under the banner of Multi-everything. There are at least four different groups setting up to take over by attrition.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 3:18:46 AM PST by Eagletest (We know Holders out, right?)
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To: Zajko
I'll get a facebook post today from a moron pseudo-friend claiming Obama solved the Ukraine crisis by facilitating a democratic vote.
10 posted on 03/06/2014 3:27:37 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: goldstategop

“just waiting for a hypocritical West to denounce it in 3, 2, 1...”

The West can accept a democratically elected government to be overthrown by a militant groups and recognize it as fully legal, but they cannot accept the right to self determination of another group through a referendum? It always depends on whose side you look from.

The West supported the secession of a region from another country Serbia through fire force(Kosovo) because of self determination but now cannot support this right to Crimea?

In US it was a strong support for the invasion of Panama, in ‘91, when American citizens were at risk, but would be indignant if this is done to protect Russian citizens in another state ?


11 posted on 03/06/2014 3:28:32 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: McGruff

Russia is likely to accept the Crimean Parliament’s request.

This would throw a spanner in Western efforts to get Russia to pull its troops out of Crimea.

60 years later, it looks like Nikita Khruschev’s “gift” is being undone. Before 1954, Crimea was a part of the RSFSR - which corresponds more or less with the territory of present-day Russia.

Ukraine is arguing with a straight face that a long-dead Soviet Communist dictator’s bequest has more legitimacy than the desires of present day people in the territory - who want nothing to do with Ukraine.

Go figure.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 3:31:54 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“How do we stop these people from expressing their own free will?”

I bet you don’t realize that all the countries of eastern Europe which were behind the Iron Curtain ~VOTED~ to have communist leadership under ‘protection of Russian troops’.

Sometimes the historical ignorance and gullibility of FReepers is amazing.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 3:34:18 AM PST by Justa
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To: Zajko

It works for me.


14 posted on 03/06/2014 3:38:11 AM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: Justa

That’s nothing. America voted for Hussein Obama. Twice!


15 posted on 03/06/2014 3:38:46 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Zajko

What was it that Stalin said?
It only matters who counts the votes.


16 posted on 03/06/2014 3:42:26 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Zajko

17 posted on 03/06/2014 3:43:25 AM PST by servo1969
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To: Justa

This time around, the vote will make Russian nationalists happy.

They’ve always been fuming about Crimea. After 20 years, things have come full circle.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 3:43:58 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: listenhillary

If this becomes legitimate, then no country is safe from this happening. In 10 years our entire Southwest will vote to return to Mexico, which might not be a bad thing if they take California with them:)


19 posted on 03/06/2014 3:44:41 AM PST by lynn4303
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To: Zajko

Was surprised to hear people on Foxnews call him a lunatic.....IMO, he is anything but. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Obozo? Not a clue.


20 posted on 03/06/2014 3:56:39 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It looks like Putin upstaged Obama and Kerry again and made a fool out of Serry - the UN official chased off in humiliation from Crimea.

True, Putin said Moscow would not annex Crimea but he did not say Crimea could not accede to Russia at its own request. He left himself plenty of wiggle room.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 4:15:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Zajko

So much for the Tatars sparking a new Afghanistan for the Rooskis, as some were hoping and wishing for yesterday.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 4:21:35 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: goldstategop

Public approval and annexation via guns and artillery? A true outpouring of populist support. /s

Just like Czechoslovakia.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 4:23:05 AM PST by Justa
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To: goldstategop
Kiev says its unconstitutional...

Lol!

24 posted on 03/06/2014 4:26:40 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Zajko
Putin plays chess, while certain others play tiddlywinks again.

As in the apocryphal "playing chess with a pigeon" analogy, said "certain others" knocks the chess pieces over, craps on the board and has a sycophantic domestic media claim a win for him.

Mr. niteowl77

25 posted on 03/06/2014 4:29:53 AM PST by niteowl77 ("Why do we go to Iowa? Because that's where the suckers are.")
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To: Candor7
The Immaculate Annexation

Quip of the Day Award. Congratulations.

26 posted on 03/06/2014 4:31:23 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Cowboy Bob
How do we stop these people from expressing their own free will?

Great question...especially since their democratically elected government in Kiev was overthrown.

27 posted on 03/06/2014 4:37:43 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: niteowl77
Obama plays golf, Putin ain't playin'!

However you are correct about the media.

28 posted on 03/06/2014 4:38:58 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: listenhillary

That’s right, we have no reason to say anything about anyone else’s election!


29 posted on 03/06/2014 4:47:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s probably one of the things the majority ethnic Russians in the Crimea are worried about; one of the Muslim loony warlords in the ‘Stans already offered his “help.”

I don’t think Ukrainians could do much about to resist, but Russia is certainly not going to let the Tatars and their allies take over the place where it bases its fleet.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 4:51:39 AM PST by livius
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To: Zajko

That is not really correct.

While Vlad might be playing chess, in the instance of Ukraine, Obama and lurch are not really players. They are observers, perhaps Ukraine cheerleaders.


31 posted on 03/06/2014 4:54:30 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Justa

Yes and with these guys replacing Mayors the vote is like a union vote with the mob standing next to the ballot box checking off names.

I found the article where this group helped replace the mayor days before the invasion. This happened on 2-25 in Sevastopol.

My question is is this biker gang going to keep going and creating unrest so Putin can save the day along his boarder.

“We will not submit to the regime in Kiev,” Dmitry Sinichkin, president of the local branch of motorcycle club the Night Wolves told the crowd in Sevastopol.
The Night Wolves are closely linked to Russia’s political elite. Putin has visited the group in the city several times, on one occasion in 2010 riding a three-wheeled Harley Davidson alongside the bikers.
After his speech, Sinichkin told RIA Novosti that fresh bloodshed in Ukraine’s ongoing political crisis was inevitable.
Rally-goers waved the Russian red, white and blue tricolor and yelled the football fan-style chant of “Ros-si-ya, Ros-si-ya, Ros-si-ya,” as they endorsed calls to create self-defense squads with police cooperation and withhold taxes from Kiev.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140225/187887206/Ethnic-Russian-Rage-Excites-Secession-Talk-in-Ukraines-Crimea.html


32 posted on 03/06/2014 4:57:59 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Zajko

I love headlines with initials like MPs, it is so much fun trying to guess what it means. Being a former Navy man I first wondered for a split second why the military police are involved in this. Then I thought, maybe it means member of parliament. Of course MPs would actally mean member parliaments rather than members of parliament and that doesn’t seem to make sense so I went to the link to find out what it is all about.


33 posted on 03/06/2014 5:00:52 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Zajko

NATO invaded Serbia under false pretexts and then had the people living in its Kosovo province vote to leave Serbia.

The precedent is set, by NATO & US.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 5:09:47 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: lynn4303

Yanukovych was elected by the vote of the people. An uprising in Kiev managed to throw him out of office for choosing to not join the EU.

Those in Crimea are being given a vote to say we don’t agree with the ousting of an elected official and we think the rest of you are nuts.

I see no harm in letting them vote.


35 posted on 03/06/2014 5:17:51 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Cowboy Bob

As I stated from the first, Russia isn’t seizing the Crimea, the Crimea is BEGGING Russia to take it!

And this vote will kill that lie.

The Crimea wants NOTHING to do with the rioters and thugs that have taken over the capital of Kiev


36 posted on 03/06/2014 5:27:11 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Zajko
The announcement from Crimea's parliament comes as EU leaders meet in Brussels to discuss how to respond to Russia's troop deployment on Ukrainian soil.

In my day, the presence of foreign troops on another country's soil without the permission of that other country was known as an invasion. BBC's wording makes it seem so benign.

37 posted on 03/06/2014 5:28:26 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Zajko

The current ruler of Crimea, installed by the Russian invading army, is an organized crime figure whose nickname is the Goblin. I think that says it all.


38 posted on 03/06/2014 5:43:42 AM PST by Agog
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To: Zajko

In a few years California “voters” will pass a referendum to leave the USA and join Mexico. Book it.


39 posted on 03/06/2014 5:45:35 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Agog

and his army is in post 32

“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything” Joe Stalin


40 posted on 03/06/2014 5:46:26 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Obama plays golf, Putin ain't playin'!

Well that's only because Putin doesn't have his priorities straight, unlike our laser-focused, workaholic superman.

Mr. niteowl77

41 posted on 03/06/2014 5:58:14 AM PST by niteowl77 ("Why do we go to Iowa? Because that's where the suckers are.")
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To: Zajko
It is apparent that Obama and Kerry have just being playing with themselves, thinking someone might take all their lofty speeches as having some sort of meaning.

I doubt Putin or his cronies will pay much attention to the words of Obama and Kerry going forward.

Putin knows the stock they are made of and it really does not factor much in their game plan. Obama and Kerry can run behind Putin yapping at his heels like little dogs and Putin will continue to ignore them just as he has been doing for the last few weeks.

The legacy media here in the US is such a joke, trying to claim all the words that spew from Obama and Kerry have any import with the Russians.

42 posted on 03/06/2014 6:11:13 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Justa

Invading your neighbor with soldiers with their insignia removed is a war crime. Putin belongs in cell in the Hague for that alone. Sickening to see “conservatives” bootlick him.


43 posted on 03/06/2014 6:18:07 AM PST by lodi90
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

NATO did not invade Serbia with soldiers with no insignia. Gets your facts straight, liar. What that KGB thug did is a war crime. Putin belongs in Slobos old jail cell.


44 posted on 03/06/2014 6:22:27 AM PST by lodi90
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I've always been for self determination.

75% of Ukraines parliament voted to remove Yanukovick. That's self determination. I was for that while some here weren't.

Crimea's parliament votes to secede and join Russia. That's self determination. I'm for that.

That's holding to a consistant principle.

45 posted on 03/06/2014 6:31:47 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

75% of Ukraines parliament voted to remove Yanukovick. That’s self determination. I was for that while some here weren’t.

Crimea’s parliament votes to secede and join Russia. That’s self determination. I’m for that.

That’s holding to a consistant principle.


No, it’s not. It’s twisting facts to suit your position. Following your logic Poland can invade Kaliningrad with 5th columnists and hold a “self determination” vote. No chance that would be allowed. Russia would nuke them first.


46 posted on 03/06/2014 6:38:06 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90
You posted that I "twisted the facts" but you didn't demonstrate one twisted fact.

Instead you gave me double talk.

47 posted on 03/06/2014 6:50:50 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: lodi90
Now if you posted that Crimea's parliament voted to secede while occupied by a foreign power, then I would agree that's not legitimate.

But still believe in self determination.

48 posted on 03/06/2014 6:54:00 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Crimea is a war zone right now under occupation by a foreign power committing war crimes as we write. There is no such thing as “free and fair” elections in that situation.


49 posted on 03/06/2014 7:00:29 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Zajko

Will there be a conflict between russians and tartars?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar-ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea


50 posted on 03/06/2014 7:13:51 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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