Posted on 03/05/2014 2:19:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Pope Francis reaffirmed the Catholic Church's opposition to gay marriage on Wednesday, but suggested in a newspaper interview that it could support some types of civil unions.
The Pope reiterated the church's longstanding teaching that "marriage is between a man and a woman." However, he said, "We have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety."
States, for instance, justify civil unions as a way to provide economic security to cohabitating couples, the Pope said in a wide-ranging interview published Wednesday in Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily. State-sanctioned unions are thus driven by the need to ensure rights like access to health care, Francis added.
A number of Catholic bishops have supported civil unions for same-sex couples, including Pope Francis when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2010, according to reports in National Catholic Reporter and The New York Time
Pope Francis reaffirmed the Catholic Church's opposition to gay marriage on Wednesday, but suggested in a newspaper interview that it could support some types of civil unions.
The Pope reiterated the church's longstanding teaching that "marriage is between a man and a woman." However, he said, "We have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety."
States, for instance, justify civil unions as a way to provide economic security to cohabitating couples, the Pope said in a wide-ranging interview published Wednesday in Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily. State-sanctioned unions are thus driven by the need to ensure rights like access to health care, Francis added.
A number of Catholic bishops have supported civil unions for same-sex couples, including Pope Francis when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2010, according to reports in National Catholic Reporter and The New York Time.
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Unless you see any of this coming from an official Catholic newspaper it isn’t real. Soros’ NCR isn’t Catholic. They twist everything he says and does. They are obsessed. There are few things I will put my hands over a fire for, and this is one of them. No matter what happens in the rest of the world, in the Catholic church, the Gates of Hades will NEVER Prevail.
You are arguing for special rights for queers. You are fooling yourself in thinking there is a big difference between civil unions for homo’s and civil marriages for them.
You want conservative support for civil unions for queers? How about that same special right for polygamy, or allowing a state sponsored union for some perv and his goat?
IBTZ.
No. There is never a “case” for promoting the vice of Sodomy in any type of “Justice” (virtue) System.
There is no “Right” from the Creator for this type of behavior which is dehumanizing (a vice). It strips sex of meaning and morality and reduces it to a dehumanizing “act” which actually does harm the Natural Family.
It is an intentional sexist concept devoid of Reason and Truth (Biology). It is irrational law-—which is unjust law and unconstitutional.
All cultures (and a true Justice System) has to promote Virtue in its citizenship. This is the slippery slope to promoting Vice in “Just” Law (can’t do it.).
It is the conditioning of children-—to flip Good and Evil-—which all Laws do because it “normalizes” whatever is promoted in “Just” Law.
Our Justice System is based on Natural Moral Law and sodomy can never be a virtue or “natural”.
If the CC accepts Civil Unions, it will be buried-—for there will be no Truth and it erases Natural Law Theory which is embedded in the Catholic Canon.
The concept literally removes Reason and Truth from the Catholic Canon. If the pope would endorse such an irrational concept which warps the meaning of sex and family in such an evil manner, he would be an Antipope.
Would you be for civil unions if the homosexual lobby wasn’t pushing for Sodomite “marriage”? Would you bring it up had no one else done so? Is it a good idea, or is it a compromise? If it’s a compromise, are far are you willing to go? This is how the left has made headway in this country.
Progressive: We want 5
Conservative: You can’t have 5
Progressive: We want 10
Conservative: Okay, you can have 5
Progressive: We want 10
Conservative: You can’t have 10
Progressive: We want 20
Conservative: Okay, you can have 10
(The conservatives high five!)
If you say yes to civil unions, then there is no reason not to accept polyamorous ‘civil unions’ or any type of union. What limits could there be?
I think there is a difference between individuals ( i.e. social conservatives ) TOLERATING an act they consider repugnant and CELEBRATING an act.
For instance, I personally disapprove of marijuana use, but that does not mean I want it criminalized.
So, to say that one tolerates civil unions ( i.e., the signing of a contract between individuals for the purpose of one inheriting the assets of another or giving another person the authority to decide to say, “pull the plug”, should something happen to the other ), does not mean one celebrates it.
Having said that, Pope Francis is in a different category. He is the head of a church with a worldwide membership of a billion people.
He should CLARIFY what he means by the church’s “support” for civil unions. He in fact, has an OBLIGATION to do so as the teaching magistrate of the church.
Does he mean by “support” -— not making civil contracts illegal?
Does he mean the church now declassifies sex between gay people who are now united civilly as NOT SIN?
So many questions that need answering and clarifying. I hope he does that now that he has opened the floodgates with his remark.
The left is never satisfied. They’re always arguing for more depravity no matter how depraved it gets. If we assent to civil unions, they’ll come up with something else to drive us to the left.
Regardless of your personal opinions there are gay men who have officially “come out” and said that the LGBT organizations are attacking families and don’t speak for all.
Conservatives, at least real Catholics, understand that families are under attack socially and we have to fight to defend it. Most men or women in civil unions have dealt with coverage issues with their insurance carriers. The problem is when they demanded the right to adopt babies. Catholic charities/orphanages refused.
We aren’t simply dealing with nice people with certain sexual preferences.
Homosexual activists aim to ‘destroy the family’, impose ‘totalitarianism’: gay pro-family activist
The real problem conservatives have is electing Soros compromised politicians just because they have an “R” at the end of the name.
How could any Christian support any kind of “union” that is called an affront to God in the Bible?
As a matter of civil law “unions” may be a way for conservatives to accept a truce without support same sex marriage, but that doesn’t men WE as Christians accept those unions as OK. To be a leader of a Christians “Church” and say he could accept that is evil!
RE: As a matter of civil law “unions” may be a way for conservatives to accept a truce without support same sex marriage, but that doesn’t men WE as Christians accept those unions as OK
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That explanation of yours might be what Pope Francis actually means ( Despite the ill chosen word “support” ).
As I said in a previous post on this thread, now that the floodgate is open, he has an obligation as the ultimate teaching magistrate of the church to clarify what he means.
It may well be that he meant exactly what you just wrote above.
Exactly right.
Civil Unions my (bleep). What Wuli and other and other leftists need to underatand is their tolerant and permissive stance towards civil unions is what has led us to civil marriages. And the obvious result?
Curtailing religious rights so that Christians HAVE to bake a cake or photograph a queer marriage or other such crapola.
We are on a slippery slpe and its only getting steeper.
And - BTTT - This appeasement crap coming from the Vatican does not help matters either.
the homos will never be satisfied until they can demand you lick their butts and publicly exclaim how tasty it is.
What they are doing is the equivalent of conservative media saying, “Obama says he supports Ukrainians.” “Is Obama warning the world that there will be another world war?” “Has armegeadon started? (headline news)
What legitimate news org does that?
TIME spin: “evaluate”
http://swampland.time.com/2014/03/05/pope-francis-willing-to-evaluate-civil-unions-but-no-embrace-of-gay-marriage/
If true, the Catholic Church is done. Once you accept this, everything else will be forced.
Destroyed from within, after about 2,000 years.
What part of the media lies, do you not get. Understand that the Catholic church is under attack, along with all conservative values. Understand that the media distorts, maligns, lies, and markets their liberal agendas very effectively. Towing their line, does us all a disservice. They play way too many Republicans like kids, and have us going after silly issues and each other, instead of focusing on real issues, as far as I'm concerned. They lie, don't take the bait.
LowTaxesEqualsProsperity, I swear to you on my life that the Catholic church will NOT accept homosexual unions in any form.
They just want to impose this crap on society and the largest Christian church in the world gets in the way. They are doing everything they can to pressure and provoke, and it hasn’t worked. Contrary to what the media says Catholics are NOT leaving, numbers are increasing.
Now they want to pretend that the new Pope is somehow enlightened and has a different message, so the Catholic church will become accepting of homosexuals. They have managed to achieve acceptance in many other major christian churches. It will NEVER happen in the Catholic church.
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