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Nazis: Still Socialists. Were the Nazis more like today's Democrats or Republicans?
National Review ^ | 02/28/2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 02/28/2014 9:05:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: democrats; dems; fascists; jonahgoldberg; nazis; socialism; socialists

1 posted on 02/28/2014 9:05:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

2 posted on 02/28/2014 9:07:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

From the perspective of philosophy - Democrats.

On their ability to win wars - the Republicans.


3 posted on 02/28/2014 9:08:44 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the Nazi doctors did abortions


4 posted on 02/28/2014 9:09:33 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ZULU

RE: On their ability to win wars - the Republicans.

The Nazis lost the war.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 9:10:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I posted the Hannan article over here the other day.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3126983/posts


6 posted on 02/28/2014 9:14:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Travis McGee

No matter how you slice it, Democrats.

Statist: Democrats.

Government control of business: Democrats.

Atheism: Democrats.

Abortion: Democrats.

Mistreatment of minorities: Democrats.

Propaganda: Democrats.

Voter fraud: Democrats.

Homosexuality: Democrats.

Narcissistic leaders: Democrats.

Stooges in Power: Democrats.

Destruction of the military: Democrats.

Destruction of the country: Democrats.

I could go on and on.


7 posted on 02/28/2014 9:22:47 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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8 posted on 02/28/2014 9:23:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind
Were the Nazis more like today's Democrats or Republicans?

That's really not a reasonable question to ask because neither party (yet) approaches the evil that was Nazism.

But for the sake of argument, the Nazis believed in:

- the leader-principle (do not dare to criticize the leader)
- a large and strong central government
- top-down control of the economy
- top-down control of everything else
- the silencing of opposition views
- state security over individual freedom
- strict gun control
- a master race

The first seven on the list are obviously Democratic views. The last one is both anti-Democratic and anti-Republican. However, if it were 1861, we would put that last one in the Democratic column also.

9 posted on 02/28/2014 9:25:17 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you for the image. Wow.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 9:26:02 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Many conservatives today support the military in Egypt as a bulwark against the Muslim Brotherhood.

The enemy of my enemies is my friend.

11 posted on 02/28/2014 9:28:08 AM PST by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: rlmorel

Collectivists:all of them.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 9:34:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT


13 posted on 02/28/2014 10:04:45 AM PST by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Would have to say both as there doesn’t appear to be any distinguishable difference between the two.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 10:08:02 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Poli Sci 101:

Nationalist Socialists are Nazis.

International Socialists are Communists.

American Socialists are Democrats.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 10:20:08 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind
It's a complicated issue which I have pondered more than once. Ultimately, one must realize that Republicans are in favor of....drum roll please...a republic which is to say, rule by constitutional law as opposed to rule by a human leader i.e. a king, queen, dictator, all powerful President, cult of personality type leader. etc. This is why we Republicans should all be, in our hearts, strict constitutionalists IMHO.

Democrats, on the other hand, are not terribly enamored with the constitution. Indeed, they seem to resent the constraints it places on their ambitions which is why we see their "all powerful president" who is clearly "a cult of personality" circumventing the constitution with excessive executive orders and consolidating power within the executive branch.

Keep in mind, when you circumvent the constitution, you are actually undermining it and weakening it which is another way of saying, being a threat to it.

So, first of all, it's difficult to concisely say what NAZIism was and then deduce from that whether it was more in line with the modern Democratic party or the modern Republican party. It's further complicated by an abundance of wishy washy Republicans In Name Only types that may as well be Democrats.

So, what wasn't Naziism first of all? NAZIism wasn't a Republican form of government. Hitler made the laws and he changed them as he thought necessary and he was not bound by the laws himself.

What was Naziism? Naziism was 100% unadulterated undeniable Hitlerism. It was all about Adolph Hitler and what Adolph Hitler wanted.

And Adolph Hitler was a cult of personality created through the extensive use of media propaganda and indoctrination.

It's also safe to say that Adolph Hitler didn't worry too much about how God might feel about his actions and we'll leave it at that.

I'll just leave you to decide who this all sounds like.

16 posted on 02/28/2014 10:56:39 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nazis, Communists, Peronistas, Labor Party, Democrats: the differences are small.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 10:58:59 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: TurboZamboni

or as I like to call them, “Control Freaks”

All of the isms on the left have the goal, complete and absolute control.


18 posted on 02/28/2014 10:59:20 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: SeekAndFind

Goldberg hits the nail on the head. especially here...

“Stanley says that politics came before economics in the Nazi state. That’s true. But where is that not true? Certainly not in America or the U.K. Which is why conservatives, libertarians, and other champions of free-market economics must constantly put pressure on politicians to fend off the natural human tendency to fight innovation as a threat to the status quo and the powers that be. Across the West there’s a tendency among bureaucrats, politicians, academics, and other members of the New Class to convince the people to hand over the major decisions of their lives to the “experts.” These experts aren’t all in the government, but they all collude with government to convince people that the experts have all the answers and that the people need to hand the reins over to them. They will tell us what to eat, what to drive, what to think. It’s an approach that puts politics before economics. Because it is an attempt to politicize peoples’ lives. Or as Hitler put it, “Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.”


19 posted on 02/28/2014 11:04:34 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

the democrats are like the camp guards. the gop-e rinos are the kapos. most libtard american jews are little better than kapos too.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 11:42:17 AM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Socialists are mentally challenged. They never learn from the past. They believe that by supporting a socialist dictator they will endear themselves on the megalomaniac and assure a privileged future. The reality is that once the socialist dictator gains absolute power, he has no need for them as useful idiots. Very quickly there comes a time when even the socialist who supported the dictator's rise to power becomes disenchanted with his heavy hand as it strikes in their direction. Then they start pushing back and become a threat to the dictator who will exterminate them along with all others who threaten him. Today's socialist doesn't understand this hard reality. They claim that because Hitler dealt harshly with socialist that he could not have been a socialist himself. The cold hard fact is the only thing that mattered to Hitler was Hitler. The same is true with Zero. The parallels are consistent and clear. For example, even now in this country there are quiet rumblings by the socialist MSM over Zero's First Amendment violations. These MSM facilitators better wake up because if the push back is too strong, they will soon find themselves on Zero's hit list along with the rest of us.
21 posted on 02/28/2014 11:48:19 AM PST by iontheball
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s why Ayn Rand just called them all collectivists. Their only real difference is how much they admit they are organized around Dear Leader. But their nature is strictly hierarchical, so there is always a Dear Leader. And their purpose is always power for power’s sake through strict hierarchical ranking - so, of course, they will always say they are about equality. After all, if they told the truth it would simply be that they want to turn the world into a prison camp, and that never sells very well to the stupid masses who don’t know what is best for them.


22 posted on 02/28/2014 12:04:09 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Exciting times in 1933 when the National Socialist German Labor Party brought Hope and Change to Germany and with it an exciting young leader.


23 posted on 02/28/2014 1:08:50 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly

The Republicans are as good as winning wars (political) as the NAZIs were at winning at winning wars (military).


24 posted on 02/28/2014 1:27:31 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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