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Russia war games over Ukraine prompt US warning
AP via Yahoo! ^ | KARL RITTER and VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 02/27/2014 1:54:54 AM PST by cunning_fish

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia ordered 150,000 troops to test their combat readiness Wednesday in a show of force that prompted a blunt warning from the United States that any military intervention in Ukraine would be a "grave mistake."

Vladimir Putin's announcement of huge new war games came as Ukraine's protest leaders named a millionaire former banker to head a new government after the pro-Russian president went into hiding.

The new government, which is expected to be formally approved by parliament Thursday, will face the hugely complicated task of restoring stability in a country that is not only deeply divided politically but on the verge of financial collapse. Its fugitive president, Viktor Yanukovych, fled the capital last week.

In Kiev's Independence Square, the heart of the protest movement against Yanukovych, the interim leaders who seized control after he disappeared proposed Arseniy Yatsenyuk as the country's new prime minister. The 39-year-old served as economy minister, foreign minister and parliamentary speaker before Yanukovych took office in 2010, and is widely viewed as a technocratic reformer who enjoys the support of the U.S.

Across Ukraine, the divided allegiances between Russia and the West were on full display as fistfights broke out between pro- and anti-Russia protesters in the strategic Crimea peninsula.

Amid the tensions, Putin put the military on alert for massive exercises involving most of the military units in western Russia, and announced measures to tighten security at the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet on Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.

The maneuvers will involve some 150,000 troops, 880 tanks, 90 aircraft and 80 navy ships, and are intended to "check the troops' readiness for action in crisis situations that threaten the nation's military security," Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in remarks carried by Russian news agencies.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: eunwo; eupowergrab; imfvulture; kerry; nwo; obama; putinsbuttboys; russia; soros; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; war; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 02/27/2014 1:54:54 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Zer0 would rather bend over than fight.


3 posted on 02/27/2014 1:59:30 AM PST by ChiMark (America no more)
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To: cunning_fish

What does Obama think he’s going to do? The actions in Ukraine have had the effect of waking up the Russian bear. People I know who have generally been laid back are now starting to become nationalistic.

Obama and Kerry better be careful. They are stirring the pot.


4 posted on 02/27/2014 2:01:43 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: knarf

He’s gonna tell them to stop being mean to poofs.


5 posted on 02/27/2014 2:01:51 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cunning_fish

NONE OF OUR BUSINESS


6 posted on 02/27/2014 2:02:26 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Cowboy Bob
Muslims of Crimea are backing EU integration, condemning Russian majority (That same Tartars "wrongly" labeled by Stalin as Nazi collaborators).
7 posted on 02/27/2014 2:07:07 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Does Ukraine have any sort of military? Certainly, if things go bad with Russia, I don’t believe they will be able to defend themselves.

Is the EU and the US ready to send in troops? What will happen to the EU and Ukraine if Russia decides to turn off the gas? The whole situation can get very nasty really fast.


8 posted on 02/27/2014 2:17:57 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I think in terms of manpower and a number of assets Ukrainian military is among the most formidable is the world or at least in Europe for sure. As for a quality of their troops I’m not sure.


9 posted on 02/27/2014 2:22:57 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Obama to Putin: “You’d better STOP before I yell ‘STOP’ again!! Or next time, you Russian brute, I’ll send you a double-secret, strongly worded letter of concern! And it that doesn’t work, I’ll stamp my dainty foot!”


10 posted on 02/27/2014 2:25:34 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: cunning_fish

Some of the Ukranian nationalists are playing into the hands of Russian separatists in Ukraine. If the linked report is accurate, the attempts to reduce the standing of the Russian language will pour gasoline on separatist movements in the Crimea and the rest of South East Ukraine:http://rt.com/news/ukraine-language-lavrov-asselborn-627/


11 posted on 02/27/2014 2:29:55 AM PST by Truth29
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To: cunning_fish; Cowboy Bob

>>>I think in terms of manpower and a number of assets Ukrainian military is among the most formidable is the world or at least in Europe for sure. As for a quality of their troops I’m not sure.<<<

I fact I was wrong. i did a little research to find Ukrainian military was about on par with modern US military in numbers back to 1992 right after independence (780,000 personnel, 6,500 tanks, about 7,000 combat armored vehicles, 1,500 combat aircraft, more than 350 ships, 1,272 strategic nuclear warheads and 2,500 tactical nuclear missiles.)
Today it has deteriorated to 36th in the world.


12 posted on 02/27/2014 2:36:10 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

They are quaking in their boots. . . . . . . . Way to go ZERO that did it. . . .


13 posted on 02/27/2014 2:39:06 AM PST by DeaconRed (Back to basics FUBO FUJB FUHC! ! ! !)
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To: cunning_fish

Warning of a grave mistake is reminiscent of his red line.


14 posted on 02/27/2014 2:42:37 AM PST by OldNewYork
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To: Truth29

Yup. This move aggravated the crisis - without guarantees for minority rights, no one will trust the new government in Kiev.

And Ukraine cannot afford to alienate Russia even if it rejects a “big brother” role for its powerful neighbor. It must rein in anti-Russian extremists and ensure things don’t get out of hand.


15 posted on 02/27/2014 2:50:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cunning_fish
In other related news...

Budget cuts to slash U.S. Army to smallest since before World War Two

16 posted on 02/27/2014 2:50:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cunning_fish

I can’t think of a reason why anybody, least of all Vladimir Putin, should take a US warning seriously at this juncture.


17 posted on 02/27/2014 3:01:55 AM PST by varmintman
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To: cunning_fish
...proposed Arseniy Yatsenyuk as the country's new prime minister. The 39-year-old served as economy minister, foreign minister and parliamentary speaker before Yanukovych took office in 2010, and is widely viewed as a technocratic reformer who enjoys the support of the U.S.

As does Al Queda, Syrian "Rebels", Egyptian tyrants, Libyan "Militia", and South African Communists.

18 posted on 02/27/2014 3:02:22 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: cunning_fish

This is interesting:

“Putin’s vision is not to restore the Soviet Union but to restore Russian greatness,” said Kathryn Stoner, a Stanford University professor and expert on Russia. “It’s the Russian empire, which is a very clear political and economic system.”

“Stoner called that system “Putinism” and described it as a complex mix of de facto authoritarianism at home and anti-American obstructionism abroad. It is by no means a Soviet-scale threat to the United States. But experts describe it as a controlling, culturally conservative system that Putin actively promotes to counter what he sees as a degenerate and decadent West.”

“They’re definitely setting themselves up in opposition to the United States,” said Fiona Hill, an expert on Putin at the Brookings Institution in Washington. “Being the leaders of a conservative coalition of countries who oppose gay rights and gay marriage and those who want to see less of a role for the church, more of a secular society.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/analysis-ukraine-draws-obama-into-putins-long-game/article17122211/

There an element of truth in it - the West is flabby, morally decadent and militarily weak. Like the metrosexuals Obama and Kerry, its all bark and no bite. The West simply opposes Russia and sides with fascists because it has lost sight of its own values. There is no reason in the world why Russia should copy the West.


19 posted on 02/27/2014 3:11:30 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Kerry warns Russia? Let me see, is that the fifth or sixth “line in the sand”? With so many lines, it’s almost like a football field.


20 posted on 02/27/2014 3:15:22 AM PST by Progov
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To: cunning_fish

Things that make you go hmmm?:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568959/Blast-past-Mystery-surrounds-Russian-spy-ship-docked-Havana-no-explanation-US-warns-Moscow-war-games-Ukraine.html


21 posted on 02/27/2014 3:41:50 AM PST by Truth29
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To: cunning_fish

Follow the money .....


23 posted on 02/27/2014 3:49:22 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (If you want to know who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: goldstategop
There an element of truth in it - the West is flabby, morally decadent and militarily weak. Like the metrosexuals Obama and Kerry, its all bark and no bite. The West simply opposes Russia and sides with fascists because it has lost sight of its own values. There is no reason in the world why Russia should copy the West.

NATO spends 10x the amount of money Russia does on defense, and 60% of the world's total. Our procurement budget alone is 50% bigger than Russia's entire military budget. There are many ways to describe the West, but weak is not one of them.

I have to hand it to the Russians - they are as good as selling themselves as the good guys to many right wingers in the post-Cold War era as they were to many left wingers during the Cold War. A shambles of a kleptocracy that can't even provide clean water in hotels during the Olympics despite spending a record amount of money for any Olympics, yet retains the loyalty of right-wing supporters abroad, definitely knows a thing or two about information operations.

24 posted on 02/27/2014 3:55:44 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Given that most of Russia’s gas flows to it’s EU customers through pipelines in the Ukraine, I doubt it’s in Putin’s (or anyone’s interest) for a real, hot war to develop there.

Putin’s doing what he does best; sabre rattle and manoeuvre.


25 posted on 02/27/2014 4:09:33 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: cunning_fish

Another red line? I’m sure Pooty Poot is quaking in his boots.


26 posted on 02/27/2014 4:30:14 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: cunning_fish

US warning from our admin? Ha..... Just like the red line in Syria. Non existent.


27 posted on 02/27/2014 4:51:37 AM PST by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: cunning_fish
A warning? From Osama Obama? I'll bet that that has Vlad Putin shaking in his boots.The *real* Osama Obama was revealed to Vlad when Osama promised him more flexibility after the election.
28 posted on 02/27/2014 4:52:48 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: cunning_fish

Are we going to draw a line in the sand ?

Or are we going to have an unbelievably small intervention ?


29 posted on 02/27/2014 5:01:02 AM PST by staytrue
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To: cunning_fish

Someone said Obama was selling Red Lines over in eBay, there is a good supply if them and they are all unused.


30 posted on 02/27/2014 5:02:14 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: OldNewYork
Warning of a grave mistake is reminiscent of his red line.

It would be a grave mistake to cross that red line. :P

31 posted on 02/27/2014 5:03:28 AM PST by RetroSexual
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To: goldstategop

It all hearkens back to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s warnings to the West about its moral weakness in the 1970’s and his view that there was moral strength in Russia.


32 posted on 02/27/2014 5:05:12 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: cunning_fish

and what is that pussy Obastard going to do ?


33 posted on 02/27/2014 5:05:45 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: cunning_fish

Ooooh.

Another red line.

Vlad says to add it to his collection, over there.


34 posted on 02/27/2014 5:09:09 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: cunning_fish

Putin versus our first gay President. Who will win this showdown?

What is really a horror show is all the women at the top of the State Department. Many-most are career employees. They are 100% ineffective and out of control libs and lefties


35 posted on 02/27/2014 5:13:46 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: cunning_fish

“...the divided allegiances between Russia and the West were on full display as fistfights broke out between pro- and anti-Russia protesters in the strategic Crimea peninsula.”

I know this is a serious matter, but...

“Oh, No! Fistfights!”

I can think of at least a DOZEN CongressRats I’d like to smash in the kisser over what they’re doing to America!


36 posted on 02/27/2014 5:15:12 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: cunning_fish

Obama is drafting a sternly worded letter as we speak!

Putin is laughing his ass off wondering what it will say!


37 posted on 02/27/2014 5:25:53 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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Please keep those donations coming in folks.
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38 posted on 02/27/2014 6:04:55 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: cunning_fish

As all here know (please don’t tell the lame-stream), the flexible one has struck again ... LOL


39 posted on 02/27/2014 6:12:24 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: cunning_fish

Obama: “Speak loudly, and carry a little stick”.


40 posted on 02/27/2014 6:30:33 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

bttt


41 posted on 02/27/2014 6:35:16 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: cunning_fish

Obama should declare a Red Line.


42 posted on 02/27/2014 6:50:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: cunning_fish

Not to worry - John ‘Swiftboat’ Kerry will guarantee any US strike will be unbelievably small. Then the problem will go away for sure.


43 posted on 02/27/2014 6:54:00 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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"...Ukraine's protest leaders named a millionaire former banker to head a new government..."

LOL...really? They actually printed this? Wow

44 posted on 02/27/2014 6:54:17 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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Are we about to witness Obammy get beatch slapped by Putin.....again? What a laughing stock this imposter has made our great country.


45 posted on 02/27/2014 7:10:43 AM PST by cork (Gun control = hitting what you aim at)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Sticks are dangerous. Someone could put their eye out. We no longer carry sticks.


46 posted on 02/27/2014 7:14:57 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

47 posted on 02/27/2014 8:21:35 AM PST by caww
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48 posted on 02/27/2014 8:23:15 AM PST by caww
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To: cunning_fish

Obama is doing his yoga to be more flexible. Putin knows what kind of ink makes up Obamas red lines,


49 posted on 02/27/2014 8:34:31 AM PST by Organic Panic
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50 posted on 02/27/2014 8:45:34 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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