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Leaders in east Ukraine vote to take control of their areas
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | February 22, 2014

Posted on 02/22/2014 7:43:34 AM PST by cunning_fish

KIEV (Reuters) - Leaders of mainly Russian-speaking regions of eastern Ukraine that are loyal to President Viktor Yanukovich challenged the legitimacy of the national parliament on Saturday and said they were taking control of their territories.

The move appeared to increase the possibility of a split in the sprawling former Soviet republic of 46 million, despite denials by the leaders that this was their intention.

The Kiev parliament has passed a series of measures that would reduce the president's powers and pave the way to the formation of a national unity government and early presidential elections.

Mikhaylo Dobkin, Governor of Kharkiv region in northeast Ukraine, told regional leaders meeting in the city: "We're not preparing to break up the country. We want to preserve it."

But a resolution adopted at the meeting said: "The decisions taken by the Ukrainian parliament in such circumstances cause doubts about their ... legitimacy and legality."

It added: "The central state organs are paralyzed. Until the constitutional order and lawfulness are restored ... we have decided to take responsibility for safeguarding the constitutional order, legality, citizens' rights and their security on our territories."

One speaker urged the creation of civilian patrols to restore order. Another said those gathered should fear reprisals if anti-Yanukovich protesters in Kiev seize power in the whole of the country.

With people at the meeting chanting "Russia! Russia!", the atmosphere contrasted with the mood in the capital Kiev where protesters want the Moscow-backed Yanukovich to resign.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putinsbuddys; russia; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; ukraineparliment; viktoryanukovich
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1 posted on 02/22/2014 7:43:34 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

How much is Putin paying them?


2 posted on 02/22/2014 7:47:34 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cunning_fish

If they’re ethnic Russians they can go to hell.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 7:47:45 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: cunning_fish

A good source of up to date info: http://www.interpretermag.com/category/blog/


4 posted on 02/22/2014 7:48:09 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: cunning_fish

This is the Problem with the Ukraine. Half the country (Eastern half) are Ethnic Russians and speak Russian. the Western half is Ethnic European. I think the ultimate result of all this Chaos is either going to be a split of the Country or a brutal war will result in one half dominating the other (Most likely the Eastern half with Russian assistance).


5 posted on 02/22/2014 7:55:12 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The Western part of the country worked with the Nazis and has a history of pogroms against Poles, Belorussians and other minorities. The Eastern part of the country is more wealthy and less prone to violence.


6 posted on 02/22/2014 7:59:47 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
"Half the country (Eastern half) are Ethnic Russians and speak Russian. the Western half is Ethnic European."

Are there no real Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians left?

7 posted on 02/22/2014 8:01:59 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
This is the Problem with the Ukraine. Half the country (Eastern half) are Ethnic Russians and speak Russian. the Western half is Ethnic European. I think the ultimate result of all this Chaos is either going to be a split of the Country or a brutal war will result in one half dominating the other (Most likely the Eastern half with Russian assistance).

Not so. 5 out of 6 are ethnic Ukrainians.

Roughly speaking, about four out of every six people in Ukraine are ethnic Ukrainian and speak the Ukrainian language. Another one in six is ethnic Russian and speaks Russian. The last one-in-six is ethnic Ukrainian but speaks Russian. This map shows where each of those three major groups tend to live. (about five percent of Ukrainians are minorities who don't fit in any of those three categories.)


8 posted on 02/22/2014 8:03:59 AM PST by kabar
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To: cunning_fish

The Russian Tass news agency reported that the Russian Ombudsman did not sign-off on the deal made in Kiev.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 8:05:00 AM PST by AU72
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The ethnic Russians in the east are going to ask for Russian intervention and Putin will agree.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 8:07:04 AM PST by AU72
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
There is little difference between the “ethnic” Russians in he east and “ethnic” Ukrainians in the west save some linguistic differences. It's sort of like saying there are “ethnic” Southerners and “ethnic” Northerners in the US. These are the same people with different allegiances.

CC

11 posted on 02/22/2014 8:10:13 AM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
This is the Problem with the Ukraine. Half the country (Eastern half) are Ethnic Russians and speak Russian...

No. Only 17% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian.

12 posted on 02/22/2014 8:10:22 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
The Western part of the country worked with the Nazis and has a history of pogroms against Poles, Belorussians and other minorities. The Eastern part of the country is more wealthy and less prone to violence.

The Western part of the country is anti-communist and more nationalistic. They don't want to be part of Russia or before that, the Soviet Union. Why the cooperation with the Nazis? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The issue is whether Ukraine moves closer to the West and more independence or remains tethered in the Russian orbit under the former KGB agent Putin who wants to return to the days of Soviet imperialism.

13 posted on 02/22/2014 8:10:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
The Associated Press ‏@AP 3m

MORE: Ukrainian ex-premier Tymoshenko's party says she's been freed, on way to protest camp : http://apne.ws/1l8PLpk

14 posted on 02/22/2014 8:11:19 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: cunning_fish

Why can’t our state legislatures ‘take control of their areas’ and tell Obama to take a running jump?


15 posted on 02/22/2014 8:12:19 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: kabar

- Viktor Yanukovych

- Viktor Yushchenko

Now that’s a confusing ballot.


16 posted on 02/22/2014 8:13:34 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: AU72

There was a talk program on this am. Russia was active in this resolve.


17 posted on 02/22/2014 8:14:31 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: AU72

It would actually be a good thing if the country split in two, like Czechoslovakia, the differences are irreconcilable.

Same could be said about libtard and conservative America.


18 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:08 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: AU72

Two things have to happen before the tanks roll. The Olympics have to end and there has to be some threat, real or trumped up, against the gas pipelines that bring gas to western Europe from Russia that pass through the Ukraine.

CC


19 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:17 AM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: kabar

If only 1/6 are ethnic Russians, how did Yanukovych win?


20 posted on 02/22/2014 8:16:26 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Captain Compassion

>>Two things have to happen before the tanks roll. The Olympics have to end and there has to be some threat, real or trumped up, against the gas pipelines that bring gas to western Europe from Russia that pass through the Ukraine.<<

Ukraine in Crisis: Gazprom Declares European Gas Exports ‘Pumped in Full’
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-declares-european-gas-exports-39-085111943.html


21 posted on 02/22/2014 8:18:09 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Captain Compassion

>>Two things have to happen before the tanks roll. The Olympics have to end and there has to be some threat, real or trumped up, against the gas pipelines that bring gas to western Europe from Russia that pass through the Ukraine.<<

Ukraine in Crisis: Gazprom Declares European Gas Exports ‘Pumped in Full’
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-declares-european-gas-exports-39-085111943.html


22 posted on 02/22/2014 8:18:29 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Viennacon

It’s spelled C-O-R-R-U-P-T E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N.

(Sorry...trying to be funny in a situation that certainly isn’t.)


23 posted on 02/22/2014 8:20:50 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Viennacon

>>If only 1/6 are ethnic Russians, how did Yanukovych win?<<

Another 2.5/6 Ukrainians are symphatizers.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 8:20:51 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: hoagy62

It’s possible, but then how can we explain the previous victory of a pro-European west leader?


25 posted on 02/22/2014 8:23:08 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Good question. Kinda scratching my head over that one myself.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 8:24:46 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Viennacon

>>It’s possible, but then how can we explain the previous victory of a pro-European west leader?<<

Pro-European sentiments has dominated at the time. The problem is that anti-Russian policies of that government has ruined Russian trade ties and affected economy really bad. It has shifted balance to a pro-Russian groups and led to Yanukovitz victory.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 8:32:20 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

The pipelines are not being cut yet.

CC


28 posted on 02/22/2014 8:36:01 AM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: kabar

So the course of history comes down to having a deep water port, yet once again.


29 posted on 02/22/2014 8:40:59 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Viennacon
If only 1/6 are ethnic Russians, how did Yanukovych win?

Only 13% of the population of the US is black. How did Obama win?

On February 14, Viktor Yanukovych, with 48.95% of the popular vote, was declared President-elect and winner of the 2010 Ukrainian Presidential election. Yulia Tymoshenko won 45.47% of the vote.

A joint poll conducted by Democratic Initiatives and Ukrainian Sociology Service of January 2010 showed that less than 5% of the polled believed that the presidential election would be fair with 41.4% of respondents that believed that the election results could be manipulated and 15.7% being certain that the entire vote would be rigged. According to the same poll 5.8% of those polled stated they were ready to sell their votes if the sum suited them and 1.9% of the respondents were ready to sell their votes for any presidential candidates and for any funds.

Since May 2010 a number of criminal cases have been brought against Yulia Tymoshenko. On June 24, 2011, a trial started in the “gas case,” concerning a contract with Russian gas company Gazprom to supply natural gas to Ukraine, which had been signed in 2009. Tymoshenko was charged with abuse of power and embezzlement, as the allegedly biased court found the deal anti-economic for the country and abusive. On 11 October 2011, a Ukrainian court sentenced Tymoshenko to seven years in prison after she was found guilty of all charges. Following the February 2014 Euromaidan riots, on 21 February 2014, Parliament voted for her release in a 310-54 veto-proof vote. On Saturday 22 February 2014 she was released. After her release Tymoshenko is now able to run for office, since she has no criminal record.

Tymoshenko was held in the Kharkiv-based Central Clinical Hospital No. 5 under police surveillance, where since May 2012 she had been receiving treatment after being diagnosed with a spinal disc herniation. Tymoshenko has been on three hunger strikes since her imprisonment.

The “gas case” trial was viewed by many international organizations, such as the Danish Helsinki Committee, as a politically-charged persecution that violates the law. The European Union and other international organizations see the conviction as "justice being applied selectively under political motivation." The European Union has shelved the European Union Association Agreement and Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement with Ukraine over the issue. The EU has repeatedly called for release of Yulia Tymoshenko as a primary condition for signing the EU Association Agreement. The European Court on Human Rights stated in April 2013 that Tymoshenko’s arrest in the case had been politically motivated and her rights had been violated.

30 posted on 02/22/2014 8:45:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: don-o

Wonderful news.

http://apne.ws/1l8PLpk


31 posted on 02/22/2014 8:52:38 AM PST by rawhide
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To: smokingfrog
"How much is Putin paying them?"

He doesn't have to pay them. They have been Russian for several generations.

"Little Rus" has been the colloquial name of the country for 1000 years.

32 posted on 02/22/2014 8:52:42 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"If they’re ethnic Russians they can go to hell."

They've been there 1000 years. They're not going anywhere.

33 posted on 02/22/2014 8:53:42 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Viennacon
"Why can’t our state legislatures ‘take control of their areas’ and tell Obama to take a running jump?"

And if millions of conservatives took over the National Mall and surrounded the White House what would Obama do? He would probably order the military to open fire, but the US needs to do something radical to rid itself of its Marxist government or to divide into too countries, also.

34 posted on 02/22/2014 8:55:28 AM PST by Truth29
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To: cunning_fish

You are 100% on, Vlad’s number one domestic asset is the gas, anything that puts that in jeopardy is worth tanks to him and his ruthless interior minister. Look at Syria , that was all about a new pipeline that would threaten the pipeline that runs thru Ukraine.

This has the potential of being a changing moment in Eurasia.


35 posted on 02/22/2014 8:57:35 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: rawhide

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26302572


36 posted on 02/22/2014 8:59:44 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: cunning_fish

Saw this coming.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 9:03:39 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: cunning_fish

It seems to be the case that no matter who they elect, nobody can bring prosperity to both portions of Ukraine, and tackle the systemic low-level corruption that keeps small rural communities poor.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 9:28:38 AM PST by Viennacon
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39 posted on 02/22/2014 9:47:10 AM PST by RedMDer
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To: DIRTYSECRET
If they’re ethnic Russians they can go to hell.

They're already there. Donetsk.

40 posted on 02/22/2014 10:05:47 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

The Western part WAS part of Poland...Lwow is Polish!


41 posted on 02/22/2014 10:07:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kabar; Viennacon

Excellent post!

I agree, he was elected by a corrupted election process.
Imagine Obama being elected by a corrupt election process, putting in his corrupt cronies into power;, and then intimidating Congress into putting a past conservative president in jail. (Not too hard to imagine the first two of the scenario, he hasn’t been so bold to try #3 yet.)
Yulia Tymoshenko was working to get rid of the corruption in government and she paid for going against the oligarchs and former soviet corrupt mafia types. I’m so happy to hear she’s been released.


42 posted on 02/22/2014 11:49:07 AM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: cunning_fish
The Interpreter

London-based Herzen Foundation and the New York-based Institute of Modern Russia

Earlier today:

Excerpt:
This is not a coincidence. Yanukovych is reportedly in Kharkiv, a pro-Yanukovych stronghold (or it’s supposed to be), and he’s at a conference of the “Ukrainian Front,” a collection of politicians, and pro-government street thugs, who are willing to die for the President. But as a recent article by John Schindler, on The XX Committee, points out, the Ukranian Front appears to be deeply influenced and controlled by the Russian government. In fact, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Russian State Duma, Alexei Pushkov, is present in Kharkiv right now. Here’s what the report has to say about the nature of the Ukrainian Front:

It seems Moscow is not pleased with its protege Yanukovych and his inability to crush the opposition, so it is forming a new grouping to “assist” the hardliners. Given that the appearance of the Ukrainian Front has been heralded with a birth announcement in the Kremlin’s official newspaper, Russian approval and support can be assumed.

Moreover, the embrace of Stalinist-era rhetoric by the Ukrainian Front indicates a great deal, and will serve as a needless irritant towards Ukrainians who detest Stalin and his murderous legacy. In a similar vein, Communist activists have unveiled a bust of Stalin in Western Ukraine, a provocation that is about as offensive to most locals there as a statue of Hitler would be in the rest of Europe. Of course, hailing Stalin’s victories in the 1940′s is of a piece with the current Kremlin vilification campaign against all Ukrainians who do not want their country to be subjugated by Russia, a nasty agitprop line that regrettably has Western supporters, not all of them unwitting dupes.

Now that the Ukrainian Front has entered the picture, with Moscow’s imprimatur, expect the situation in Ukraine to only get worse. It would be difficult to overstate the danger Ukraine and Europe are in at the moment thanks to intimidation, meddling and provocation by Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin. European governments would be well advised to not permit naked Russian interference of a violent and coercive sort in Ukrainian politics: this cannot end well.


And now we have rallies in Sevastopol, where the Russian Black Fleet is anchored, in favor of reuniting with Russia (jump to update 1410).


43 posted on 02/22/2014 12:13:08 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Viennacon

“ACORN” voters, dead voters, ballot box stuffing, etc. ?


44 posted on 02/22/2014 1:41:30 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Viennacon

>>>It seems to be the case that no matter who they elect, nobody can bring prosperity to both portions of Ukraine, and tackle the systemic low-level corruption that keeps small rural communities poor.<<<

In fact both versions are extremely corrupt. Recently released ‘Gas princess’ Timoshenko’s boyfriend went from running a VHS movie rental to one of the richest people in Ukraine as she was in office.


45 posted on 02/22/2014 4:38:05 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: kabar

Yulia Tymoshenko is as corrupt as anyone there. Became a multigas billionaire in the 90s. There’s only one way that happened then. She did it controlling gas pipelines into Europe.
Shes a tool in the Eurobankers pocket. It’s not that surprising that Euro courts would find on her behalf.


46 posted on 02/22/2014 5:31:47 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Billionarie? In what currency?


47 posted on 02/22/2014 6:47:55 PM PST by kabar
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To: cunning_fish

Putin won’t do anything until after the Olympics. Unfortunately, they are over tomorrow. No suprise if Russian tanks start moving into the Ukraine on Monday to provide ‘peace and security’ to the region.


48 posted on 02/22/2014 7:13:31 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

>>Putin won’t do anything until after the Olympics. Unfortunately, they are over tomorrow. No suprise if Russian tanks start moving into the Ukraine on Monday to provide ‘peace and security’ to the region.<<

I think Ukraine has a second most ethic-Russian infested military in the world, after Russia (I bet you will be very surprised to learn which is the third).
I don’t think Russia actually need to use it’s own forces.


49 posted on 02/22/2014 7:35:40 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

- “I am drawing a yellow line in the snow…..” - B Hussein Obama II


50 posted on 02/23/2014 5:16:14 AM PST by devolve (- as i reach the vinyl curtain -)
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