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Winter at the barricades [Primer on what is happening in Ukraine]
World Magazine ^ | 2/7/14 | Jill Nelson

Posted on 02/19/2014 6:10:49 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

When Ukraine’s largely peaceful anti-government protests turned violent last November, President Viktor Yanukovych attempted to explain away the extreme response of riot police: He could not have protestors in the city center delaying setup for the Christmas tree and ice skating rink. Those comments became the focal point of jokes, but a new joke is going around: How long does it take a Ukrainian to change a light bulb? Two weeks. How long does it take him to build a barricade? Fifteen minutes.

Kiev’s protests have escalated into a movement with military-style camps, barricades massive enough to keep out tanks, and a full-scale takeover of the capital’s main square and government buildings throughout the country.

After months of demonstrations that have at times attracted hundreds of thousands of people, Ukraine’s protests are no laughing matter: At least six people were killed during violent clashes between police and protesters in January. And the government has confiscated cell phone numbers of tens of thousands of protesters in the square, sending them this message: “Dear subscriber: You are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

(Excerpt) Read more at worldmag.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: autonomy; freedom; kiev; protests; ukraine
World magazine is a magazine that seems to be fairly balanced--the journalists and publisher see the world from a solidly Christian perspective.

The entire article taught me more about the two sides in the Ukraine than any dozen so-called "news" reports on television.

1 posted on 02/19/2014 6:10:49 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Something is happening now. The live feeds were going all night and into the day until about a half hour ago. The police were massing. Looks like it is coming to a head in Kiev.


2 posted on 02/19/2014 6:19:27 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

This article explains the genesis of the conflict.


3 posted on 02/19/2014 6:22:02 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

What a difficult choice:

The bumbling bureaucracy of the EU, which is slowly crumbling from socialism, or

the authoritarianism & possible police state of Russia.


4 posted on 02/19/2014 6:27:18 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

Sounds like the USA in the not too distant future.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 7:10:27 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SoFloFreeper

Excelleent article.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 7:11:15 AM PST by No One Special
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To: broken_arrow1

The entire world in the not-to-distant future.

The bills are coming due, folks.


7 posted on 02/19/2014 7:13:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: broken_arrow1
Remember this:

“Dear subscriber: You are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

8 posted on 02/19/2014 7:15:48 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

SoFlo -
Great article; thanks for posting this.


9 posted on 02/19/2014 7:17:46 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The response of the Obama administration is to dither on the sidelines while making vaguely unhappy comments.

18 people died yesterday in the riots with hundreds wounded.

Obama’s big policy statement yesterday? That relations with Uganda will be strained due to their refusal to embrace homosexuality.

10 posted on 02/19/2014 7:21:27 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Mister Da
What a difficult choice: The bumbling bureaucracy of the EU, which is slowly crumbling from socialism, or the authoritarianism & possible police state of Russia.

Yeah, and the my concern for the people of the Ukraine is that, if they join the EU, the EU will do a Cyprus or Greece and them. Staying out of the EU, they get to keep what little money they have.
11 posted on 02/19/2014 7:45:57 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: broken_arrow1

Well from what I have been reading, online, there is suppose to be an upcoming rally in Washington DC on May 16, 2014 called “Operation American Springtime”. Read on Free Republic late last year about it first coming out, I think to get the FR’s founder Jim Robbinson’s endorsement or something to that effect.


12 posted on 02/19/2014 7:54:18 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The S**T is getting ready to hit the fan worldwide it seems.


13 posted on 02/19/2014 7:54:30 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: dfwgator

Keep a close eye on this upcoming rally in Washington DC, I have been reading online, a retired US Army general is organizing for May 16, 2014, calling it “Operation American Springtime”.


14 posted on 02/19/2014 7:58:22 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: dfwgator

Live feed.

http://espreso.tv/stream


15 posted on 02/19/2014 8:03:21 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

Watching what looks now like the singing of the national anthem of Ukraine.


16 posted on 02/19/2014 8:08:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mister Da
Remember this: “Dear subscriber: You are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

Your cell phone tracks your location. Even without GPS, the cell system will know which cell tower you are near, in order to be able to route incoming calls to you.

Checking the logs for which people STAY in a particular area for more than an hour will identify the protestors, unless they turn their phones off BY REMOVING THE BATTERY.

17 posted on 02/19/2014 8:10:30 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: dfwgator

Went to its Facebook site and it is called “Operation American Spring”.


18 posted on 02/19/2014 8:11:19 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: PapaBear3625

I thought it was simply turn off the cellphone and it is all done.


19 posted on 02/19/2014 8:12:13 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Any more info?

Sounds interesting, if it is allowed to happened. You need a permit now comrade.


20 posted on 02/19/2014 8:52:25 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I am pretty sure they do.


21 posted on 02/19/2014 8:53:57 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: redgolum

Here is the website:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/


22 posted on 02/19/2014 8:55:20 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Starstruck

Got a link to a good live feed?


23 posted on 02/19/2014 9:02:21 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R
Here is a live feed: #EuroMajdan on USTREAM. Nothing really dramatic happening right now, unless people milling around can be considered dramatic.
24 posted on 02/19/2014 9:10:11 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: ZX12R

http://espreso.tv/stream


25 posted on 02/19/2014 10:05:29 AM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: ZX12R

http://espreso.tv/stream


26 posted on 02/19/2014 10:35:32 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Is there really only 2 sides?


27 posted on 02/19/2014 10:57:55 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Biggirl

The NSA can even listen to what is going on with the cell phone turned off!


28 posted on 02/19/2014 11:00:01 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Mister Da
The protestors are either naive or tools. If they were in the EU, Germaany would end up controlling their banks and resources. As with Greece, Portugal and the other poor countries, those debts will never be paid off and the wealth of their resources would end up elsewhere.

I don't know that they'd be better off with Russia. Except that the history of Russia and its allies involved immense suffering at the hands of Germany in WW2.

29 posted on 02/19/2014 11:03:31 AM PST by grania
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To: dfwgator
It's the work of


30 posted on 02/19/2014 11:09:28 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: GeronL

Oh good grief, are we now getting into the Alex Jones area?


31 posted on 02/19/2014 11:13:43 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: GeronL

Until proven otherwise, I am considering this conspiracy theory stuff right now.


32 posted on 02/19/2014 11:16:11 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Fox News report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5r9UnIiT4

ABC News: (note: 2006)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2006/12/can_you_hear_me/

techdirt:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130723/12395923907/even-powering-down-cell-phone-cant-keep-nsa-tracking-its-location.shtml


33 posted on 02/19/2014 11:22:59 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Easy.

Burner phone paid with cash. Old fashioned two way radio’s. Or just show up with Spock ears, clown nose, and a few other things to through off facial recognition software.


34 posted on 02/19/2014 11:27:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

bttt


35 posted on 02/19/2014 11:36:04 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: SoFloFreeper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MI0r777GRRA#t=3


36 posted on 02/19/2014 11:36:53 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Revolting cat!

This url has the most active live video feeds, all on one page,
http://news.liga.net/video/politics/981947-shturm_maydana_onlayn_videotranslyatsiya.htm

This website has a lsit of all trusted media (trusted from the protestors point of view),
http://www.maidanhotspot.com/trusted-media

The Splino feed has been the most useful to get a grasp of the situation, the Splino guys have been live streaming with cell phones directly while walking through the camp and at the barricades standing next to the molotov and riot shield carrying protestors.

What is amazing is that the Square has dozen plus entrances, the police have no presence at 80%+ of the entrances, and just outside this revolution, Kievans are going about their daily routines as best as possible, and the buses still run, the Square still has electricity, the McDonald’s on the edge of the Square has reopened, food cart vendors roll up every morning and feed the protestors, local car traffic can drive within 2 blocks of the Square, ... etc.

Also, every morning, men carry in construction material and stolen metal work, and women bring in huge amounts of food and blankets, and they reinforce the protest site, over and over.

Saw a video this morning of a woman handing out sandwiches on a platter, at the barricades, while the guys and teenagers taking the sandwiches in one hand, were holding shields or throwing rocks in the other.


37 posted on 02/19/2014 12:13:20 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: SoFloFreeper
In reading the article and reflecting on the President's recent announcement that there will be consequences for the violence, I started to wonder what side he will take.

Like the President, Russia is a long time enemy of the United States so he could pick the Russian backed government side.

He may try to curry favor with his socialist buddies in the EU so he may side with the protesters.

But then it hit me...Which side is more Christian? He will certainly go against whatever side is most Christian.

Does anyone know the religious inclinations of the Russian backed government groups or the protester groups?

38 posted on 02/19/2014 2:51:35 PM PST by nitzy
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To: SoFloFreeper

What is the over/under for Viktor Yanukovych inviting the Russians in to save his a$$.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 3:28:40 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Good article. Thanks for posting.


40 posted on 02/19/2014 6:34:24 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Checking the logs for which people STAY in a particular area for more than an hour will identify the protestors, unless they turn their phones off BY REMOVING THE BATTERY.”

Something to keep in mind for Americans who go to protests as well.


41 posted on 02/19/2014 6:39:46 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Wow - good article. Explains a lot.


42 posted on 02/20/2014 11:36:06 AM PST by opus86
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To: Biggirl

“I thought it was simply turn off the cellphone and it is all done.”

Heck, NO. They still track you 24/7 with the cell phone OFF. You need to leave it somewhere where you are not, like back in your car, OR remove the battery, to not be tracked.


43 posted on 02/21/2014 10:50:36 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: SoFloFreeper
"The entire article taught me more about the sides in the Ukraine than any dozen so called "News" reports on television."

This is a very good article. Thank you for posting it .

Prayers for the people of Ukraine for a peaceful resolution of their protest.

44 posted on 02/21/2014 11:10:45 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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