Skip to comments.BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center
Posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Baynative
SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.
The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.
Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter, Roberts said. But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.
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I’m 100% States Rights. The 9th and 10th amendment are completely violated by DC.
cwii - the states vs fedgov.
may i be the first to say down with fedgov, and up with a limited, smaller, constitutional federal government.
Good for Utah.
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Nope - There are many before you, and many that agree with you entirely right now and welcome your company. - But you can’t be the first.
I imagine that the data center is self contained like a nuclear sub and can last a long time without refueling.
The federal government doesn’t believe in states rights. They killed them years ago.
Yeah, if we had a Constitution that said that. Oh, wait, we do. Just everyone ignores it.
The sub, yes. The crew, not so much.
Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.
“transpartisan” - that’s a new one. “bi-partisan” must be a dirty word.
A few well placed bags of concrete mix down the right man-hole covers will back-up a lot more than data. Punch a few holes in the bags before you drop them down so the moisture gets in and cures the cement.
I thought I read that one of our fine Southern States were doing something similar, but I don’t remember which one.
The sub, yes. The crew, not so much.
Utah did not pass a law that the employees cannot leave the center.
I’m fine with this step but the good folks of Utah better be gaming out the next moves. What will be Utah’s response, for instance, when Little Stevie Dunham sends Fed forces to re-establish water flow?
We are told however fed courts trump state courts so the feds would reverse it.
It can likely power itself for some time but if Utah cuts off the water it uses to cool the server farms they will not be able to operate. Article says the use 1.7 millions gallons of water per day and thats a lot of water trucks if Utah turns off the spigot.
No, but without running water you can't flush a toilet.
"Predictive modeling of meta-data."
We thought about this for a long time, predictive modeling of meta-data, and when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.
I pray Utah has the courage.
may i be the first, “today” - or “in this thread” :-)
This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Won’t happen.
This will not end well. The Feds will eventually force Utah to provide the water and electricity, and for free.
And no one stops them.
This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Wont happen.
Utah has been so screwed by dems in the past 20 years.
Mike Lee can drive the bulldozer! Lets just hope Hatch is inside when its demolished.
A commercial Data Center probably has 72 hours of diesel on site, being the NSA they probably store several weeks or more.
However, a data center of this size uses chilled water, and lots of it, to cool the servers and related equipment. They need a constant supply to keep operating. Killing the water will shut down the cooling and the DC.
The water is used to cool the servers. They can maybe last a week on backup cooling systems.
They need water, and lots of it, to keep the cooling operations running.
Or perhaps just build a dam downstream from where it is...
We've got a pretty good-sized data center at work, and it's a closed-loop system. I could see them needing lots of water if they're using an evaporative cooling system, but I don't think they'd risk having the systems taken down by a broken water main.
I go into a lot of data centers. Most large ones will use cold water sources with some kind of backup system. The backup is usually only rated for a short time and does not have the capacity to replace the chilled water.
Nice try, but this is blatantly unconstitutional.
Understood, but are those closed-loop recirculating systems, or open systems with a lot of evaporative loss?
I'm sympathetic to this proposal, but just a head's up that UTAH would violate the Constitution if it tried to do this. One of the most important cases in US history -- McCulloch v. Maryland concerned an effort by Maryland do to something very similar in order to kick out a federal agency they didn't want. Chief Justice John Marshall and the Supreme Court said that no, that states can't do that, way back in 1819. It's a nice try but the issue has been tried and settled.
Eventually they run themselves down.
The nature of so-called progressivism is ultimate auto-destruction due to inherent flaws. Starting with flaws of the mind.
The article claims they use a estimated 1.7 millions gallons/day. They may have some onsite storage to outlast a broken water main, but not a shut off.
The ones like this that use chilled water are open systems which require a steady supply of chilled water from an outside source.
They can operate a short time without it on the backup systems they are supposed to have. The backup systems are expensive and rarely rated for long term use.
Good for Utah. This datacenter brings a lot of money into the state so this is an encouraging move by politicians.
Roberts is not an anti America, left wing maggot.
He appears to fit right in with most of us on FR.
He had better be as clean as the driven snow in Utah’s great ski areas.
If not, NAS/FBI/IRS and Holder’s Thugs will be releasing everything Roberts, his family and wife has done since they were born.
Basis alleged mass violations of the Fourth Amendment...
...the local Sheriff moves in mid-day on a weekday, rounds up all of the employees, cordons off the building as a crime scene under investigation, boots everybody else out...
...records are located and confiscated by the Sheriff as evidence...
...charges are ultimately filed, with many employees being charged as accessories, co-conspirators, etc...
Just a matter of HOW to orchestrate this, is all...
Republicans in Maryland are trying the same action.
Lights Out for NSA? Maryland Lawmakers Push to Cut Water, Electricity to Spy Agency Headquarters
US News and World Report ^ | 2/10/2014 | Steven Nelson
The National Security Agencys headquarters in Ft. Meade, Md., will go dark if a cohort of Maryland lawmakers has its way.
Eight Republicans in the 141-member Maryland House of Delegates introduced legislation Thursday that would deny the electronic spy agency material support, participation or assistance in any form from the state, its political subdivisions or companies with state contracts.
The bill would deprive NSA facilities water and electricity carried over public utilities, ban the use of NSA-derived evidence in state courts and prevent state universities from partnering with the NSA on research.
An extreme water ph adjustment will render the whole system useless in a month.
Umm, and just about EVERY elite democrat...