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BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center
Ben Swann ^ | 2/12/14 | Michael Lotfi

Posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Baynative

SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.

The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant “that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.”

“Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter,” Roberts said. “But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.”

(Excerpt) Read more at benswann.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; bluffdale; killthebeast; nsa; nsadatacenter; statesrights; utah; utahdatacenter
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States right are the key.
1 posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Baynative
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To: Nachum

Ping.


2 posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:27 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Baynative

I’m 100% States Rights. The 9th and 10th amendment are completely violated by DC.


3 posted on 02/13/2014 9:41:44 AM PST by veracious
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To: Baynative

cwii - the states vs fedgov.

may i be the first to say down with fedgov, and up with a limited, smaller, constitutional federal government.


4 posted on 02/13/2014 9:43:07 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Baynative

Good for Utah.


5 posted on 02/13/2014 9:45:27 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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6 posted on 02/13/2014 9:48:03 AM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“May i be the first...” - SAM

Nope - There are many before you, and many that agree with you entirely right now and welcome your company. - But you can’t be the first.

;-)


7 posted on 02/13/2014 9:48:51 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Baynative

I imagine that the data center is self contained like a nuclear sub and can last a long time without refueling.


8 posted on 02/13/2014 9:49:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Baynative

The federal government doesn’t believe in states rights. They killed them years ago.


9 posted on 02/13/2014 9:49:42 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Baynative

Yeah, if we had a Constitution that said that. Oh, wait, we do. Just everyone ignores it.


10 posted on 02/13/2014 9:51:09 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Chickensoup
I imagine that the data center is self contained like a nuclear sub and can last a long time without refueling.

The sub, yes. The crew, not so much.

11 posted on 02/13/2014 9:51:58 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: ilovesarah2012

Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.


12 posted on 02/13/2014 9:52:40 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Baynative

Good news!

“transpartisan” - that’s a new one. “bi-partisan” must be a dirty word.


13 posted on 02/13/2014 9:52:41 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Baynative

BUMP!


14 posted on 02/13/2014 9:54:42 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: tacticalogic

A few well placed bags of concrete mix down the right man-hole covers will back-up a lot more than data. Punch a few holes in the bags before you drop them down so the moisture gets in and cures the cement.


15 posted on 02/13/2014 9:55:47 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Baynative

I thought I read that one of our fine Southern States were doing something similar, but I don’t remember which one.


16 posted on 02/13/2014 9:57:04 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: tacticalogic

The sub, yes. The crew, not so much.

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Utah did not pass a law that the employees cannot leave the center.


17 posted on 02/13/2014 9:57:12 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Baynative

I’m fine with this step but the good folks of Utah better be gaming out the next moves. What will be Utah’s response, for instance, when Little Stevie Dunham sends Fed forces to re-establish water flow?


18 posted on 02/13/2014 9:57:44 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: Baynative

We are told however fed courts trump state courts so the feds would reverse it.


19 posted on 02/13/2014 9:58:45 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: Chickensoup

It can likely power itself for some time but if Utah cuts off the water it uses to cool the server farms they will not be able to operate. Article says the use 1.7 millions gallons of water per day and thats a lot of water trucks if Utah turns off the spigot.


20 posted on 02/13/2014 9:59:59 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Chickensoup
Utah did not pass a law that the employees cannot leave the center.

No, but without running water you can't flush a toilet.

21 posted on 02/13/2014 10:00:41 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Baynative

"Predictive modeling of meta-data."

We thought about this for a long time, predictive modeling of meta-data, and when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.

22 posted on 02/13/2014 10:00:57 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I pray Utah has the courage.


23 posted on 02/13/2014 10:01:17 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Triple

may i be the first, “today” - or “in this thread” :-)


24 posted on 02/13/2014 10:03:11 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Baynative

This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Won’t happen.


25 posted on 02/13/2014 10:03:17 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Baynative

This will not end well. The Feds will eventually force Utah to provide the water and electricity, and for free.


26 posted on 02/13/2014 10:07:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Secret Agent Man
"down with fedgov"

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27 posted on 02/13/2014 10:08:59 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Jane Long

And no one stops them.


28 posted on 02/13/2014 10:09:34 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: plain talk

This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Won’t happen.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 10:13:57 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: plain talk

Why?

Utah has been so screwed by dems in the past 20 years.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 10:14:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Baynative

Mike Lee can drive the bulldozer! Lets just hope Hatch is inside when its demolished.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 10:19:51 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Chickensoup

A commercial Data Center probably has 72 hours of diesel on site, being the NSA they probably store several weeks or more.

However, a data center of this size uses chilled water, and lots of it, to cool the servers and related equipment. They need a constant supply to keep operating. Killing the water will shut down the cooling and the DC.


32 posted on 02/13/2014 10:26:32 AM PST by matt04
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To: Chickensoup

The water is used to cool the servers. They can maybe last a week on backup cooling systems.


33 posted on 02/13/2014 10:28:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tacticalogic

They need water, and lots of it, to keep the cooling operations running.


34 posted on 02/13/2014 10:28:53 AM PST by matt04
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To: Baynative

Or perhaps just build a dam downstream from where it is...


35 posted on 02/13/2014 10:33:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: matt04
They need water, and lots of it, to keep the cooling operations running.

We've got a pretty good-sized data center at work, and it's a closed-loop system. I could see them needing lots of water if they're using an evaporative cooling system, but I don't think they'd risk having the systems taken down by a broken water main.

36 posted on 02/13/2014 10:36:44 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

I go into a lot of data centers. Most large ones will use cold water sources with some kind of backup system. The backup is usually only rated for a short time and does not have the capacity to replace the chilled water.


37 posted on 02/13/2014 10:39:58 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Baynative

Nice try, but this is blatantly unconstitutional.


38 posted on 02/13/2014 10:42:31 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: driftdiver
I go into a lot of data centers. Most large ones will use cold water sources with some kind of backup system. The backup is usually only rated for a short time and does not have the capacity to replace the chilled water.

Understood, but are those closed-loop recirculating systems, or open systems with a lot of evaporative loss?

39 posted on 02/13/2014 10:44:33 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Jane Long; ilovesarah2012
Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.

I'm sympathetic to this proposal, but just a head's up that UTAH would violate the Constitution if it tried to do this. One of the most important cases in US history -- McCulloch v. Maryland concerned an effort by Maryland do to something very similar in order to kick out a federal agency they didn't want. Chief Justice John Marshall and the Supreme Court said that no, that states can't do that, way back in 1819. It's a nice try but the issue has been tried and settled.

40 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:57 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Eventually they run themselves down.

The nature of so-called progressivism is ultimate auto-destruction due to inherent flaws. Starting with flaws of the mind.


41 posted on 02/13/2014 11:00:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: tacticalogic

The article claims they use a estimated 1.7 millions gallons/day. They may have some onsite storage to outlast a broken water main, but not a shut off.


42 posted on 02/13/2014 11:02:35 AM PST by matt04
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To: Baynative

good.


43 posted on 02/13/2014 11:05:33 AM PST by dadfly
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To: tacticalogic

The ones like this that use chilled water are open systems which require a steady supply of chilled water from an outside source.

They can operate a short time without it on the backup systems they are supposed to have. The backup systems are expensive and rarely rated for long term use.

Good for Utah. This datacenter brings a lot of money into the state so this is an encouraging move by politicians.


44 posted on 02/13/2014 11:06:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Baynative

Roberts is not an anti America, left wing maggot.

He appears to fit right in with most of us on FR.

http://marcroberts67.com/

He had better be as clean as the driven snow in Utah’s great ski areas.

If not, NAS/FBI/IRS and Holder’s Thugs will be releasing everything Roberts, his family and wife has done since they were born.


45 posted on 02/13/2014 11:12:10 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Love it!


46 posted on 02/13/2014 11:20:25 AM PST by Constitution Day (Endeavor To Persevere)
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To: Baynative

Basis alleged mass violations of the Fourth Amendment...

...the local Sheriff moves in mid-day on a weekday, rounds up all of the employees, cordons off the building as a crime scene under investigation, boots everybody else out...

...records are located and confiscated by the Sheriff as evidence...

...charges are ultimately filed, with many employees being charged as accessories, co-conspirators, etc...

Just a matter of HOW to orchestrate this, is all...


47 posted on 02/13/2014 11:22:20 AM PST by HKMk23 (The Superior Culture will prevail.)
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To: Baynative

Republicans in Maryland are trying the same action.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3121338/posts

Lights Out for NSA? Maryland Lawmakers Push to Cut Water, Electricity to Spy Agency Headquarters
US News and World Report ^ | 2/10/2014 | Steven Nelson

The National Security Agency’s headquarters in Ft. Meade, Md., will go dark if a cohort of Maryland lawmakers has its way.

Eight Republicans in the 141-member Maryland House of Delegates introduced legislation Thursday that would deny the electronic spy agency “material support, participation or assistance in any form” from the state, its political subdivisions or companies with state contracts.

The bill would deprive NSA facilities water and electricity carried over public utilities, ban the use of NSA-derived evidence in state courts and prevent state universities from partnering with the NSA on research.


48 posted on 02/13/2014 11:31:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: tacticalogic

An extreme water ph adjustment will render the whole system useless in a month.


49 posted on 02/13/2014 11:39:45 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Jane Long
Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.

Umm, and just about EVERY elite democrat...

50 posted on 02/13/2014 11:44:11 AM PST by GOPJ ( America's drifting into totalitarianism because of left's exploitation of social failures.Greenfie)
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