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Thought Police: Firms must swear ObamaCare not a factor in firings
foxnews.com ^ | 2/11/14 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 02/11/2014 8:47:02 AM PST by ColdOne

How will the feds know what employers were thinking when hiring and firing? Simple. Firms will be required to certify to the IRS – under penalty of perjury – that ObamaCare was not a motivating factor in their staffing decisions. To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs. You can duck the law, but only if you promise not to say so.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; irs; jobs; layoffs; obamacare; unconstitutional; unemployment; zerocare
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1 posted on 02/11/2014 8:47:02 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Wonderful.


2 posted on 02/11/2014 8:48:30 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: ColdOne

This is what “focused like a laser creating jobs” looks like.


3 posted on 02/11/2014 8:50:45 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ColdOne
This country is in the hands of commie freaks and nuts.

The ONLY way to end the wave of tryanny by the irs is to eliminate it completely.

4 posted on 02/11/2014 8:51:01 AM PST by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: ColdOne
The fifth amendment is void when dealing with the regulatory state.

Firms will be required to certify to the IRS – under penalty of perjury –

5 posted on 02/11/2014 8:51:24 AM PST by DManA
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To: EQAndyBuzz

To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs....?

and Obama lies to us each time he opens his mouth?...LMAO!


6 posted on 02/11/2014 8:51:47 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ColdOne
Its simply more extortion from the feds

If you're a business owner, why would you want to piss-off the IRS?

7 posted on 02/11/2014 8:51:48 AM PST by Pietro
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To: ColdOne; GeronL

FUBO.

Baraq never came clean on how it was that the GM dealerships owned by GOP donors were closed.

Barry never came clean on how it was New York City came to own a retired space shuttle when mission control and the Johnson Space Center was in Texas.


8 posted on 02/11/2014 8:51:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: ColdOne

This is not the America where I grew up.


9 posted on 02/11/2014 8:52:01 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: ColdOne

Some company with some cojones out there needs to fire a bunch of people, say openly “Yes, it was because of Obamacare”, and then file a 14th. Amendment suit when they do not get their waiver.


10 posted on 02/11/2014 8:53:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; GeronL

Barack keeps avoiding compliance with his own law by unconstitutionally kicking the can down the street until AFTER each election cycle.

FUBO


11 posted on 02/11/2014 8:53:18 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: ColdOne
what was that gov't. order # in the book/movie, Atlas Shrugged Part ll
books like 1984, once/first thought as fantasy have become reality.
any/all employment discussions are controlled the Washington Establishment.

12 posted on 02/11/2014 8:53:37 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: ColdOne

Obama lied about Obamacare, so why can’t businesses?


13 posted on 02/11/2014 8:53:59 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: DManA

I thought Keith Ellison and his Democrat pals were proud of Obamacare getting those people out of nasty “job lock” to pursue their hobbies.

Employers claiming Obamacare as the reason for layoff should be getting an award for increasing “freedom” as Chuck Schumer claimed on Sunday TV.


14 posted on 02/11/2014 8:54:09 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: ColdOne

Pinky promise or what?


15 posted on 02/11/2014 8:54:10 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: ColdOne
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16 posted on 02/11/2014 8:55:07 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ColdOne

17 posted on 02/11/2014 8:55:34 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ColdOne

How could ObamaCare that not be a genuine and legal consideration ???


18 posted on 02/11/2014 8:55:46 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ColdOne

“penalty of perjury”?? Like the IRS is now a court?!


19 posted on 02/11/2014 8:55:54 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ColdOne

Barry: Lawlessness begets lawlessness.

A time is fast approaching when people will no longer fear you.


20 posted on 02/11/2014 8:55:58 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Pietro
But here's the larger issue:

Since when is it the reponsibility of the feds how you manage your business.

Are they some sort of de facto HR department for every small business in the country?

WHERE IN THE F#CK ARE THE REPUBLICANS???

21 posted on 02/11/2014 8:56:01 AM PST by Pietro
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To: ColdOne

How can they possibly enforce this? It’s not part of the law passed by congress... /s


22 posted on 02/11/2014 8:56:09 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: ColdOne
The courts have decided that you can be any gender or race that you choose and it's not perjury, so there is nothing about the law that is objective anymore.

If I FEEL that avoiding Obamacare costs was not a factor in my decision to fire anybody, that should be good enough for the feral government.

23 posted on 02/11/2014 8:56:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: dead

and where is neighbor’s Obama shrine ???


24 posted on 02/11/2014 8:56:53 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Post5203
The ONLY way to end the wave of tryanny by the irs is to eliminate it completely.

I agree, but it isn't going anywhere. Too many in this country like having the government jackboot on their necks.

25 posted on 02/11/2014 8:57:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Artcore

26 posted on 02/11/2014 8:57:50 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: TurboZamboni

Probably 20 years ago my SIL was on some kind of state board. The subject of unemployment came up. My SIL said something to the effect that policies should encourage people to work, not discourage them.

A black woman on the board told her off. Said work was not a part of the black culture and that my SIL should show more sensitivity to cultures other than her own.

This was 20 years ago.


27 posted on 02/11/2014 8:58:22 AM PST by DManA
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To: ColdOne

Truth is the first thing that is not allowed in a Marxist State. It is the Big Lie-—where “Up is Down” and “Sodomy is a Virtue”.

Truth is Truth is Truth.....give it up and tell little children, Up is Down,-—guess what? They will believe it when they are adults.

Cognitive Dissonance—being lied to in childhood-—like the public schools do since they censor Christian Ethics-—removes “thinking” (Classical Education/Bible) and destroys the ability to understand Good and Evil. People with no character will do as the government COMMANDS. It devolves into irrational fascism.

As Socrates stated: Wisdom is being able to discern Good and Evil.

Our children are being programmed now into believing Evil is Good and Good is Evil-—with the Common Core/Race to the Top/Goals 2000 curricula-—actually ALL curricula which is laced with the programming of Wundtian Psychology which removes God/Truth from children-—and habituates the Marxist “worldview” so Truth will never matter even when they are adults.

They will believe whatever irrational cr(p they are fed by the State. They are conditioned to do so....and it is habituated in their “education” institutions.


28 posted on 02/11/2014 8:58:23 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Pietro
Are they some sort of de facto HR department for every small business in the country?

The contempt for small business was aptly summarized by Hillary Clinton back in 1993, when she was pushing her plan to nationalize health care. Told that her proposals would devastate small companies, she replied: “I can’t be responsible for every undercapitalized small business in America.”

http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/21/fact-and-comment-opinions-steve-forbes.html

29 posted on 02/11/2014 8:58:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: Post5203
The ONLY way to end the wave of tryanny by the irs is to eliminate it completely.

Eliminate the IRS or the tyranny?

30 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:04 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Pietro
Are they some sort of de facto HR department for every small business in the country?

In fact - they want to be. That's one of the reasons the Left hates small business so much - they don't have fully staffed arms of the Federal Government controlling all employee affairs like large firms do.

WHERE IN THE F#CK ARE THE REPUBLICANS???

Keeping quiet as mice while they count their insurance company donations.

31 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:23 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ColdOne
Firms will be required to certify to the IRS – under penalty of perjury – that ObamaCare was not a motivating factor in their staffing decisions. To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs. You can duck the law, but only if you promise not to say so.

Related story from 2010:
AT&T Joins Growing List of Firms That Say Health Care Law Will Cut Into Their Profits

32 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ColdOne

What is the legal justification for such a certification?


33 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:43 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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34 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:59 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Pietro
WHERE IN THE F#CK ARE THE REPUBLICANS???


35 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:59 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: DManA

The IRS have never followed the 5th Amendment. You are required by law to present a signed 1040 which will be used against you in a court of law.


36 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Pietro

Countdown to Republican push back in 5..4..3..2..1..0..-1..-2..-3...............


37 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: ColdOne

Nanny goat administration


38 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ColdOne
Unconstitutional in every way imaginable.

King Obama does not have constitutional authority to declare normal behavior a crime.


39 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:17 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Post5203

IRS AND Homeland Security AND TSA AND ATF.


40 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:45 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ColdOne

When this obozo government keeps peeing in our faces and telling us its just rain, the last thing we should do is open your mouths.


41 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:46 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yup. And our so-called courts backed that up. People have gone to prison for claiming that right.


42 posted on 02/11/2014 9:00:59 AM PST by DManA
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To: Pietro

“WHERE IN THE F#CK ARE THE REPUBLICANS??? “

Not part of the executive branch.


43 posted on 02/11/2014 9:01:10 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Directive 10-289


44 posted on 02/11/2014 9:01:16 AM PST by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: TomGuy

Because the government is allowed to lie to you but you cannot lie to the government.


45 posted on 02/11/2014 9:01:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: ColdOne
As Judge Napolitano told Megyn Kelly---Obama "creating" laws is not within his purview.

It is an outrage that businesses who respond to the IRS WRT employment practices--could be charged w/ perjury.

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AS USUAL, WHAT HE DOES IS ALWAYS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE SAYS His SOTU speech urged Congress to “give America a raise.”....now it turns out America's getting a $70 billion annual "pay cut," courtesy of Obamacare.

Too bad for wage-earners---yet, the parasitic Obamas live in the lap of luxury, sucking off the backs of struggling Americans.

The Obamas are itinerant, luxury-loving parasites, living high, greedily sucking at the public teat......(wire-transferring a bundle offshore for a cushy retirement and to finance Mrs O's political ambitions?).

NRO tallied what taxpayers are paying for M/M O to live large on the taxpayers' dime: a grand total of $1.4 billion per year:

Air Force One ($181,757 per hour), executive chef ($100,000 per year), three full-time White House calligraphers ($277,050 per year for the trio), chief of staff to the president’s dog ($102,000 per year), Ohaha's royal motorcade ($2.2 million). $100 million alone for the African apology tour.

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$1.4 BILLION is the current annual cost of the White House — just in household expenses, not including US policy operations for which the WH exists-- administered by some 900 parasites--- policy staff recruited by Ohaha.

There's the $100 million trip to Africa not including the foreign aid billions O handed out to these oil-rich satraps. There's serial Ohaha vacations costing taxpayers millions---- (the low estimate Hawaii vacays is $4 million each, but is probably five times that); the pricey Martha's Vineyard stays; Mrs O's costly trip to elite Marbella w/ an entourage of 30.

Mrs O's $3900 PER NIGHT in Ireland PLUS 30 more rooms for her entourage.

Ireland's Grace Kelly hotel suite.

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TAXPAYERS SUFFERED RUINOUS HEALTHCARE CANCELLATIONS--BUT THEY PAY $7 MILLION FOR THE OBAMAS HEALTHCARE---NRO found the first family’s yearly health-care costs Americans $7 million; the reason why only Boobamba himself was "enrolled" last month --and not his family.

Mrs O wore her pricey diamond bangles (bought on a govt salary?) at a DNC fund-raiser, attended by "tolerant and compassionate" Dems....raised big bucks to keep Mr O in office so he could work for "the poor." Her diamond Gothic cuff priced at $15,350 set with 2.17 carats in diamonds and the Quatrefoil bracelet at $11,800 set with 1.73 carats in diamonds. (Excerpt) Read more at houston.culturemap.com.

Mrs O wowed all the "tolerant and compassionate" Dems who hate the rich and support endless tax-paid programs "for the poor."

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Mrs O has 24 assistants at her beck and call. Her
wardrobe, nails and hair pieces subsidized w/ tax dollars
of struggling Americans.

46 posted on 02/11/2014 9:02:21 AM PST by Liz
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To: onyx

Good one!


47 posted on 02/11/2014 9:03:06 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
WHERE IN THE F#CK ARE THE REPUBLICANS???

boehner and cantor and ryan are all rolling over on their backs to pass a "clean" debt ceiling now that their surrender on immigration has failed.

They let their paymasters down on cheap labor and so they want to make it up w/ more cheap money.

48 posted on 02/11/2014 9:03:24 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Some company with some cojones out there needs to fire a bunch of people, say openly “Yes, it was because of Obamacare”, and then file a 14th. Amendment suit when they do not get their waiver.

Companies that can afford to do so will just gradually phase out their USA based operations and escape to a less oppressive country.

Just like Mag-Pul has decided to Escape From Colorado.


49 posted on 02/11/2014 9:03:38 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: ColdOne
What about right to work States? What about your protection against self incrimination?
50 posted on 02/11/2014 9:03:50 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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