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Lights Out for NSA? Maryland Lawmakers Push to Cut Water, Electricity to Spy Agency Headquarters
US News and World Report ^ | 2/10/2014 | Steven Nelson

Posted on 02/10/2014 9:45:10 AM PST by detective

The National Security Agency’s headquarters in Ft. Meade, Md., will go dark if a cohort of Maryland lawmakers has its way.

Eight Republicans in the 141-member Maryland House of Delegates introduced legislation Thursday that would deny the electronic spy agency “material support, participation or assistance in any form” from the state, its political subdivisions or companies with state contracts.

The bill would deprive NSA facilities water and electricity carried over public utilities, ban the use of NSA-derived evidence in state courts and prevent state universities from partnering with the NSA on research.

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: idiocy; maryland; nsa; occupynsa; stupidparty

1 posted on 02/10/2014 9:45:10 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

Good! I hope they actually do it. I understand there’s a similar effort in Washington state.


2 posted on 02/10/2014 9:47:57 AM PST by MNGal
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To: detective

Maryland Dems will kill it.


3 posted on 02/10/2014 9:50:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: detective

The feds would just extort another two or three billion dollars from taxpayers to add a solar power ssystem and drill wells or fly water in on helicopters.


4 posted on 02/10/2014 9:54:10 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: detective

Turn off their sewer service. That will get them out of the building quicker than anything.


5 posted on 02/10/2014 9:54:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Iron Munro

I would think they would use diesel generators, but that’s just me. Mobile on 18 wheelers.

This is a really good strategy and should be done to the ATF, IRS, and all the other agencies that are just arms of the Democrat Party.


6 posted on 02/10/2014 9:56:21 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: detective

The feds will step in, end of story. Either way, all of the states surrounding DC are part of the DC power structure, and would very unlikely bite the hand of the master that feeds them.


7 posted on 02/10/2014 9:57:19 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I would think they would use diesel generators, but that’s just me. Mobile on 18 wheelers.

As long as the solution costs the taxpayers a lot of money the Feds will go for it.


8 posted on 02/10/2014 10:02:22 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: detective

That’s funny.


9 posted on 02/10/2014 10:18:34 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Iron Munro

Or they would allocate hundreds of millions for a new facility in Virginia.


10 posted on 02/10/2014 10:53:53 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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11 posted on 02/10/2014 11:14:52 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: detective

It’s too bad they can’t include the TSA molesters along with the NSA.


12 posted on 02/10/2014 12:21:15 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy.)
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To: detective; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


13 posted on 02/10/2014 12:42:14 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

We’re talking about the electronic evesdropping arm of the US intelligence community here.

Chances are they have the ability to survive for a long time, a very long time, if public utilities are cutoff. Whether by peeved lawmakers or by thermonuclear bombs ...


14 posted on 02/10/2014 12:49:13 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: detective

This idea will fail. What’s keeping Virginia from doing the same to the Pentagon if they don’t like a war we’re fighting, for example?


15 posted on 02/10/2014 12:51:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: detective

What? I had to go to the link to make sure this was not satire.


16 posted on 02/10/2014 1:31:28 PM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: detective

Thats a big thumbs up!


17 posted on 02/10/2014 1:39:12 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: detective

This is pretty ding dong interesting and about ding dang time. I’m emailing this story to everyone in my Addressbook. Any Republican candidate who runs on this issue will win. But that Republican candidate would have to have the yarbles these gentlemen have.


18 posted on 02/10/2014 1:39:25 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: detective

The big data center is in Utah. It has huge diesel motor generators and storage tanks to run without any outside power for at least 30+ days.


19 posted on 02/10/2014 1:45:06 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: tanknetter

Well, let’s turn off the power and find out.


20 posted on 02/10/2014 3:45:05 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Gideon7
The big data center is in Utah. It has huge diesel motor generators and storage tanks to run without any outside power for at least 30+ days.

The effort in Utah is to shut off the water, not (only) the power. No water and those systems become nothing but giant space heaters. Of course it won't happen no matter how anyone votes. Lots of armed men in various levels of armor and costume will be sent to turn it back on. But at least the velvet glove will finally be off.

21 posted on 02/10/2014 4:05:59 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: detective

You all do realize that the privacy beach NSA is accused of vis a vis your phone data, is less than 10% of what NSA does?

I’m sure you will rejoyce, after the shut down, when all mil intel is absent, which is 90% of what NSA does.

Iran, China, Russia, Cuba, and N Korea will send you all party favors free.


22 posted on 02/10/2014 4:37:19 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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A typical political, idiotic move.


23 posted on 02/10/2014 4:40:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gideon7
The big data center is in Utah. It has huge diesel motor generators and storage tanks to run without any outside power for at least 30+ days.

So, you cut off the source for diesel fuel. Then it's lights out.

24 posted on 02/10/2014 4:42:11 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: PIF

This is a tactic that should be applied to Congress.


25 posted on 02/10/2014 4:43:40 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: PIF

“You all do realize that the privacy beach NSA is accused of vis a vis your phone data, is less than 10% of what NSA does?” - P

No, but I am sure they know exactly how the are breaking the constitution/law, and yet they continue to do so.


26 posted on 02/10/2014 4:45:42 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: detective
State or local officials ignoring the NSA sanctions would be fired, local governments refusing to comply would lose state grant funds and companies would be forever barred from state contracts.

LOL. Repubs are a mere token in the MD State House, and this "legislation" is a crass suckup move to look hard-line. NSA is one of the -- if not THE -- largest employer in the state (if you include feds, defense contractors, and everyone from food service to footwear who associates with them). Embarrassing posturing from the Stupid Party.

27 posted on 02/10/2014 4:53:59 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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28 posted on 02/10/2014 5:02:58 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: TheThirdRuffian

A agency like the NSA probably has enough backup generator capacity to run the entire building with redundancy. Most likely diesel generators, but could be using natural gas in addition to diesel.

Either way, the government would truck in as much diesel as necessary with some no bid contract at $20/gal.


29 posted on 02/10/2014 5:58:46 PM PST by matt04
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To: detective

Ft. Sumter?


30 posted on 02/10/2014 6:50:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: PIF
We don't really have to worry about Iran, China, Russia, Cuba, and N Korea if our own government is trying its best to destroy the Republic and give us a similar dictatorship.

You talk about mil intel. Who is our military after the great purge? Who's side will they be on once they are remade? Why does NSA risk so much for that little 10% when there is so much at stake? We know they don't profile Muslim extremists. Who do you think they might profile? Why is this so important that they need to violate the Constitution? Why don't they just stick with the 90%?

31 posted on 02/10/2014 7:10:13 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: All

not any more retarded than Brattleboro Vermont voting to arrest president bush.


32 posted on 02/10/2014 7:12:54 PM PST by willywill
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To: Iron Munro

The feds just might annex the State. National Security measure.

Then what? Who will tell them no? SCOTUS? They might. But who would enforce the ruling? Oh. Eric Holder? Wait...


33 posted on 02/10/2014 8:43:56 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: detective

Any Repubicans in The Old Line State are extremists. They are from the extreme East (eastern shore) or the extreme west (west of the Hagarstown Valley). Nearly everywhere in between is liberal la-la land.
Except for the extreme east and west, where the population is sparse, Maryland has run amok.
Montgomery, PGee, Baltimore (County and City), and nearly all the counties that border these, have long ago turned to socialism.
It is a beautiful state, otherwise. Sadly, one of its nicknames is prophetic: “America in Miniature.”
Sad.


34 posted on 02/10/2014 9:10:36 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: detective

Yes!!!!


35 posted on 02/10/2014 9:10:49 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Gene Eric

Idiotic is only the beginning of describing these 8 Republicans. That is why Maryland and other states need Tea Party and ACT (Americans Coming Together) people to run for political offices.

The ACT people I’ve met are the combat and intelligence/Special Ops people from Iraq and Afghanistan, who know and understand the crucial role that a good intelligence program serves in our war against extremists.

So the GOP has 8 clowns in the Maryland State Assembly. Hell’s bells, why not start a circus with them. That’s enough clowns to put on a good show, which is where they belong.

I’m glad I left Maryland when I did. Unfortunately the Libertarians and the Democrat Left are screwing things up royally in Virginia, trying to make it Maryland-lite.

“We have found the enemy and he is us”. Time to thin the herd. Vultures have to eat, you know.


36 posted on 02/11/2014 12:10:14 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

>> The ACT people I’ve met ...

Cool. I’ll look out for and support them.

>> Hell’s bells, why not start a circus with them.

Circuses and kabuki theater to placate the indignant hoi polloi.


37 posted on 02/11/2014 12:43:02 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: detective

[The Lord]: “I’m going to destroy the NSA.”
[Noah]: “Rrright. How ya gonna do it?”
[The Lord]: “I’ll make it rain for a thousand days and drown ‘em right out.”
[Noah]: “Look — do this; you’ll save water: make it rain for forty days, and forty nights, and wait for the sewers to back up.”
[The Lord]: “Rrright.”


38 posted on 02/11/2014 1:22:37 AM PST by HKMk23 (The Superior Culture will prevail.)
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To: Colorado Doug
Where to start?

So we do not need to worry where other country's armies are or what they are up to, if, under the assumption that we are going to become a dictatorship. This country took those steps toward dictatorship back in the 70s, so we've functioned just fine, lacking the formalities of a recognized dictatorship. BTW, how do you imagine that four Russian armies found their way into Hungry unnoticed in the 60s bloodily suppressing a nascent revolution?

The assumed purge of the mil seems to based on somewhat shaky grounds - unlike the mass resignation of top brass during Clinton - as FR posters mentioned yesterday.

NSA not profiling Muslim extremists: you gotta ask UBL, and a legion of others now having gone to where ever.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. In case you missed the posts, a host of US citizens have joined AQ and others going overseas to learn and to fight the holy war. They will be returning. The Constitution mandates our government protect us from all enemies externally and internally, which is why the NSA mission is very important, and NOT in violation of the Constitution, except in the most arcane and perplexing intepretations of that document - speaking as one whose phone line was tapped and one who was followed for decades after leaving NSA.

NSA does not stick with the strictly mil 90% simply because other mil activity does not. NSA has been tracking and recording ALL traffic in and out of the US since the late 60s. That's right, your phone calls were recorded way back when, and look what happened to you - nothing.

Admittedly now days, it is far easier to find that needle in a haystack then it was until after the PC revolution in the 80s. And yes, NSA could, if law and congress permitted, go after any one of us personally, but neither law nor congress so permit. However, if the US keeps electing socialists, that will come to pass; millions of shoe sniffers sat out the last Presidential election because Romney was not up to their specs, preferring or giving us HillaryCare, aka ObamaCare, to our private sector healthcare system.

I'd go so far as to say without NSA doing what it does, we'd all be variously either Russian citizens, or praying at our local mosque today, going home with crumbs from trash bins as supper and watching our overlords pass by in shiny limos on dusty roads.

If you aim is to reform NSA, understand the only way to do that is for Congress to make those changes, however, that process would entail a public discussion and thus destroy NSA’s effectiveness.

Shutting off power and water to NSA is childish and vindictive, full of sound and fury, accomplishing nothing, except to hand those enemies externally and internaly a free hand.

39 posted on 02/11/2014 4:05:21 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: matt04

” agency like the NSA probably has enough backup generator capacity to run the entire building with redundancy. Most likely diesel generators, but could be using natural gas in addition to diesel.”

Sure, but generally the back-ups don’t power the A/C and other “non-essential” systems. So, make it Hell for them, like they do for us.


40 posted on 02/11/2014 7:51:57 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

In a business I would agree. However FedGov is more than willing to spend money on stupid things. If not, I’m sure they will rent enough at taxpayer expense to stay comfy.


41 posted on 02/11/2014 10:23:08 AM PST by matt04
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To: detective

For once, I agree with the Maryland Legislature. O’Malley would never sign this, however.


42 posted on 02/11/2014 8:33:45 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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