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Senate Fails to Pass 3-Month Extension of Jobless Benefits
New York Times ^ | 02/06/2014 | Jeremy W. Peters

Posted on 02/06/2014 12:34:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: IC Ken

Here’s the problem: At least in my state, say your engineer was laid off: His “benefits” (which at least initially did come from his employer’s “cost of labor”) would be 2/3 of his recent income. But in many cases, such as mine when I was laid off, I had already accepted a pay cut & hung on with “the company” to try to help it survive. Plus I knew decent jobs were getting very scarce. In my case, my actual paycheck went down by 40% before my layoff. After being laid off, add it all up (more like “subtract it all off”) and my “benefit” check was under 40% of my take home pay of a little over a year prior.

So... Let’s say I find non-professional, most likely temporary employment, for about the same pay as the unemployment benefits. Most likely there is no health insurance to go with such a job - a big concern for a 50+ year-old with a family to support. But, that employment is the best thing available. When that employment ends, guess what: New benefits will be calculated from the recent employment (2/3 again) - and now one is REALLY in trouble. Worse, now anyone looking for a “professional” will take one look at the most recent employment, and do what you did - chuck the resume or job app in the trash.

Your engineer was probably not “lazy.” He was likely desperate and making the best financial decision available.


61 posted on 02/07/2014 3:13:00 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: jocon307

I can empathize. Especially if one is a professional and past 50, few employers are looking. A lot of people with the option ARE taking early retirement, which helps the U1 unemployment figures, but is deadly to the nation in the long run. Others do just go with the handouts, but I really believe most people would still prefer a good job, if such were available. It truly is, as you say, very discouraging, but you just have to keep hammering away. For those who would disparage others in your situation, I suggest they try walking in your shoes for a while! There’s nothing like actual experience.

In my case I used our limited savings to refire an old “business-on-the-side”, worked like a madman, and am finally profitable — well, probably not this winter, as our Obama-electric-bills and a host of repairs are killing us, plus the Health care insurance too — but if all goes well, later in the year, I project lower middle class status for my family in 2014. The downside is that one can work TOO hard: I’d guess I’ve taken a couple years off my lifespan...

At any rate, keep your head up. You sound like a good employee, and if you keep at it, surely some opportunity will eventually turn up.


62 posted on 02/07/2014 4:07:04 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Paul,
Where I am the Marcellus Shale is booming. technicians, engineers, office workers etc are all in demand. W PA and I hear ND and SD are also booming.
I do understand your point. There are also exceptions to the rule. If he was older like you (I am 62) I would have thought differently. Many older engineers are replaced because of their pay scale and can be replace with a younger engineer at 1/2 the rate. I find that sad.


63 posted on 02/07/2014 4:26:13 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems the Slimes has changed the story. It now says 59 voted for extension. At 55, I was wondering what 4 dems strayed from Hairy’s farm and didn’t vote for it.


64 posted on 02/07/2014 5:13:45 AM PST by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Paul R.

Thanks Paul! I am also trying to do freelance work, which I’m having some success at - more would be nice!


65 posted on 02/07/2014 6:25:31 AM PST by jocon307
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To: SeekAndFind
Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire

What a disappointment she has turned out to be.
66 posted on 02/07/2014 6:27:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: IC Ken
I had an engineer apply for a job open I had. He was off 89 weeks. His resume looked great in my trash can.

You sound like a real douche bag.

67 posted on 02/07/2014 7:06:42 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Mac,
I am in an area where there are amble jobs. The applicant decided to take the 89 week paid vacation. I would think differently if I was in an area where jobs were scarce.
BTW...you kiss your mother with that mouth?


68 posted on 02/07/2014 8:45:41 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: SkyPilot; All
I had 2 jobs collapse out from under me within less than 3 years.

I am in a similar situation. 2 jobs vanished out from under me within the past 5 years. The competition is immense, and anyone who believes that simply doing away with extended UI will get people to find work has their heads far up their backside. (See the JOLT report......3 unemployed people for every single job opening)

The way I see it is that we print billions of dollars each year for aid to other countries, tin pot dictators and all sorts of other things that are not paid for, yet the GOP draws the line at this aid to Americans in a time of need?!?! It just is terrible optics, and I say that as a Conservative.

(and it should be noted that each time the unemployment rate was above 6.5%, this has been extended.....even under Bush #1)
69 posted on 02/08/2014 5:48:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IC Ken

You sound like a grade A Ahole.


70 posted on 02/08/2014 5:49:27 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeaHawkFan; All
If unemployment was kept to no more than 26 weeks, the unemployment rate would plummet

Statements like this are ignorant beyond belief.

Ever hear of the monthly JOLT report? Currently, there are 3 unemployed people for every single job opening. What you claim is an IMPOSSIBILITY!
71 posted on 02/08/2014 5:51:09 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, it looks like you have another 90 weeks or so... before your benefits run out :)

Are you really that dense? The max is now 26 weeks without the federal extension, and 73 (not 99) in the worst unemployment rate states even if it did pass.

People should not speak if they do not know what they are talking about. You look like fools.
72 posted on 02/08/2014 5:54:17 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cboldt
Really, this is just a benefit to the 1.3 or 1.7 million, or whatever the number is. They are just choosing to not work

I sincerely hope people like you become unemployed very soon and know what it feels like.
73 posted on 02/08/2014 5:55:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We’ve given them everything they wanted. Paid for,”

To wit: “I swiped your credit card and the charge was approved.”


74 posted on 02/08/2014 6:00:06 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I sincerely hope people like you have your sarcasm/”riff off the official line” detectors fixed, and soon.


75 posted on 02/08/2014 6:17:03 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Red in Blue PA

I own my business. Guess what? If I don’t succeed I get zero NADA Unemployment but my employees would.


76 posted on 02/08/2014 6:27:16 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: IC Ken

We all must suffer so as to get those confused about things to think more clearly. Most of those who fought for independence in the 1700’s lost everything...some lost their lives.


77 posted on 02/08/2014 6:42:29 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: All

Private message received from IC Ken......absolutely no class whatsoever.....I edited the first word:

F*** you. Why would I hire someone that took an 89 week vacation. You sound like a real dumb ass.


78 posted on 02/08/2014 9:22:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IC Ken

Ah, so you’re a publicly posting a-hole who epitomizes the scummy attitudes that are keeping me from working.

Screw you - I hope you get to experience the misery of unemployment, of constantly being looked down upon, of seeing your future and your ability to keep a roof over your head disappear, and get to experience the daily humiliation that goes with not working.

You are fetid filth, and have no home here on FR.


79 posted on 02/08/2014 9:29:24 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: SeekAndFind
I changed jobs twice during my career... once because I didn't want to relocate to Chicago when my employer relocated, and once because I got engaged to my now wife who happened to live on the other side of the country.

Both times I was faced with the option of spending a long time searching for a comparable job vs. taking a huge pay cut and starting over. I opted for the starting over approach, and both times was able to get caught back up pretty quickly.

Experience and work ethics are valuable assets, and I think a lot of people spend too much time trying to match their previous jobs when they can do just as well in the long run by just getting their foot back in the door someplace and using their experience/maturity to rise back up again.

80 posted on 02/08/2014 9:52:35 AM PST by Cementjungle
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